Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[fatherabraham]

If there ever was a time for a US Airways pilot, East or West, to tell the Offices and BPR what he thinks concerning this merger and our negotiations regarding an MOU, NOW IS THAT TIME.
The BPR is literally “reading the tea leaves” as to whether to allow you to vote on the MOU or not. If you have an opinion on this issue you need to tell the BPR and officers NOW!

CLT Bill McKee - Chairman 980-875-7644 ext. 4534 bmckee@usairlinepilots
Steve Crimi - Vice Chairman 980-875-7645 ext. 4533 scrimi@usairlinepilots.org
Dewitt Ingram-Vice Chairman 704-497-7246 ext. 4535 dingram@usairlinepilots.org

Send an email to the CLT representatives at CLT@usairlinepilots.org​

DCA Joseph Stein - Chairman 704-264-6235 ext.4536 jstein@usairlinepilots.org
Pete Dugstad - Vice Chairman 980-226-0018 ext. 4556 pdugstad@usairlinepilots.org

Send an email to the DCA representatives at DCA@usairlinepilots.org​

PHL Steve Szpyrka - Chairman 704-408-6814 ext. 4560 sszpyrka@usairlinepilots.org
Mike Gillies - Vice Chairman 704-620-8824 ext. 4542 mgillies@usairlinepilots.org
Jamie Weidner- Vice Chairman 980-875-7643 ext. 4540 jweidner@usairlinepilots.org

Send an email to the PHL representatives at PHL@usairlinepilots.org​

PHX John E. Scherff - Chairman 704-807-4416 ext. 4581 jscherff@usairlinepilots.org
David Simmons - Vice Chairman 704-804-4298 ext. 4579 dsimmons@usairlinepilots.org
Roger Velez - Vice Chairman 980-253-9914 ext. 4578 rvelez@usairlinepilots.org

Send an email to the PHX representatives at PHX@usairlinepilots.org​

USAPA OFFICERS
President Gary Hummel 704-804-2724 ext. 4504 ghummel@usairlinepilots.org
Vice President Stephen Bradford 980-875-7624 ext. 4502 sbradford@usairlinepilots.org
Secretary-Treasurer Rob Streble 704-737-9041 ext. 4506 rstreble@usairlinepilots.org

AGH,

I strongly concur with above and have written all NAC / phl BPR / merger com / SB & least of all trusted GH.

If your DCA based, please do whatever it takes to bring these 2 BPR traitors back to reality.

Please take the time to write these folks unless your the pink panty Dan E kinda guy.

FA

 

[fatherabraham]

All,

Saw below opinion and thought worth posting.
Truth is evasive around here but I think there may be some in his letter:



"There are times in everyone's life when you reach a point where decisions are made that will affect you for the rest of your life.

That time is now for the pilots at US Airways. Great decisions are being made by people that control the money and will have profound affect on our lives and careers.

US Airways and AMA do not need us to complete this deal, if one is to be made. But that does not mean we have no say in our futures. We can be docile and take whatever they are willing to give us. Those people are called "reasonable" by some. Or we can stand up for our principles and demand a fair stake in this company based on the tremendous sacrifices we have made and promises given. These people are called "hardliners" by some.

Where you stand will be the deciding question for your future. But first, let me remind you of something. Of the three groups involved, US Airways East, US Airways West and the APA, the East is the strongest of the three. We are not in bankruptcy. We do not have just a single base and a money losing system. We are the East and have been making record profits that has become the catalyst for this whole transaction. Without us, there would not be a merger....period. This merger is only possible because of our hard work and sacrifices.

The APA needs us more than we need them. If we don't merge, American will be back in bankruptcy within a couple of years because they can't sustain the contract they were offered by their management without merging with us. Their management offered them one that would work as a stand alone company and the APA voted it down. The APA knows they need us for their contract to work and that is why they are pushing a merger. If not, after their management came to them with a better deal, they would have taken it and sided with their management. Without this merger and us, they will lose and they know it.

As part of our contract, we were promised that if there was ever a change of control, we would be rewarded for our sacrifices. Now a change of control is coming and we are offered an MOU that dumps that change of control clause and instead we are offered a poultry $10,000 before taxes and that's it. That is all they are willing to give us after all we have done...after all our sacrifices and again without us none of this is possible. Will we be "reasonable" and take it or tell them come talk to us when they get serious.

The American pilots have their pensions intact and are being offered 13.5% of the new company. That's because they stayed unified, refused to take what was being offered and did not listen to the prophets of doom. They got what they got because they refused to back down, threw out their leader that was telling them they had better take what was being offered or else and stood up for themselves. That is just one issue. Fleet size and scope also must be studied because once we give that up, we really do lose control of our destinies. Just look at the number of RJ's in CLT or PHL on any given day and think where you would be if the main line was flying most of those flights.

The investors will make billions. Horton is reported to make $60 million out of this. You can bet Parker and Kirby will make that much and more no matter what. So now what will happen to the very people that made all this possible for everyone else? Will we cave in because we are told that we must be "reasonable" or will we stand up for ourselves and our families and take a tougher stand? WE CAN NOT STOP THIS TRANSACTION. WE CAN ONLY PROFIT FROM IT!

People closer to the USAPA President than I am tell me he wants a deal so badly, he will take almost anything offered. I have no way of verifying this. However, so far what we have seen is a MOU that offers us very little for our sacrifices and Gary supported it. Also, I do know that if history is any judge, we have the three East reps that will vote with the West just to get along.

Why would the West reps vote to support an inferior MOU? The reason the former AWA pilots would vote for anything has a lot to do with getting rid of USAPA and hoping that the Nic will some how be the list submitted to any seniority arbitrator. They also don't have a change of control clause in their contract. They never made the sacrifices we did. So, will the DCA Reps and PHL Rep Jamie Weidner vote with the West reps to give us a substandard MOU just to get one? Will Gary Hummel work hand in glove with our management to get this MOU through by scaring us into voting for something that does not give us some reward for all we have given?

I know we will eventually get to vote on any MOU. But if it comes to a vote on a substandard MOU, the west will vote as a block and we have enough weak kneed sisters that I think will cave in to vote for a substandard MOU. The rest of us that made these great sacrifices will be thrown under the bus by the others. This is where our BPR needs to step in. The east controls the votes if they vote with one voice.

We are now hearing from the PIC and the documents they uncovered about how our seniority issues were manipulated by the money managers and our management to keep this pilot group divided and our wages substandard. Our lawyers were no help to us then. Is this history repeating itself? When are we going to get a backbone and fight for something? Now is that time. After this, we lose the opportunity forever!

Please make your views known to your leadership and your reps. If they refuse to listen, get mad! Get damn mad and let them know that if they sell us out, they will personally pay a price. Once this fight is over, we have no one to blame if we don't get all that we deserve but we will deserve what we get if we don't fight.

WE CAN NOT STOP THIS TRANSACTION, BUT WE DESERVE TO PROFIT FROM IT LIKE EVERYONE ELSE.

Just my opinion,

BG

 

[AAviator]

Chuckle...

So how did money managers documents on seniority integration become k.own? Did the boogie man deliver them?

You need to drop to your knees and thank God the APA is saving you from your state of undercompensated misery.

Tnere are tbose of us that dont think the combo will be long term viable...

So when you see an APA represented pilot, thank him.

 

[prechilill]

What a complete idiot! Pension manipulation and seniority lists? My god some of you clowns out east are certifiably nuts. This moron "BG" is direct proof...
How's that koolaid tasting FA- keep believing, that great pumpkin will get you your DOH and your pension. Lol

Boo!

 

[prechilill]

Here you FA... BG sends with his warmest regards. Lol

 

[Claxon]

Kind of like when usapa poster the names of people flying more than 85 hours?

You don't work at us airways why are you concerned about what happen at our work place?

Is your life so pathetic that you have to spend so much time worrying about what happen to other people?

According to you and your cohorts, a furloughed pilot has no rights, and therefore should have no opinions in this either. You obviously could not be employed here and post as frequently as you do. Therefore, as someone not employed here, you should also abstain from opining.

 

[Claxon]

Chuckle...

So how did money managers documents on seniority integration become k.own? Did the boogie man deliver them?

You need to drop to your knees and thank God the APA is saving you from your state of undercompensated misery.

Tnere are tbose of us that dont think the combo will be long term viable...

So when you see an APA represented pilot, thank him.

Do you ask the same of the TWA pilots who were stapled? Living up to the Prussian comparisons. They asked those they conquered to honor them also. Pathetic.

 

[Claxon]

Psssst!

It is 2012. Your arguments are so weak that you have to go back 10 years?

How about you go play with whoever it is that you work with and leave the us airways pilots to the conversation.

Take the recall so you can yank gear for east div pilots or abstain from your caustic comments.

 

[cleardirect]

Chuckle...

So how did money managers documents on seniority integration become k.own? Did the boogie man deliver them?

You need to drop to your knees and thank God the APA is saving you from your state of undercompensated misery.

Tnere are tbose of us that dont think the combo will be long term viable...

So when you see an APA represented pilot, thank him.

I wondered that myself.

The pension was lost in 2003. the merger was in 2005 and the the arbitration was in 2007. How did the money guys have anything to do with seniority?

The panic is everywhere.

 

[cleardirect]

Welcome back to ALPA boys. Or to be more accurate welcome to the dysfunctional organization that you guys have always had. It does not matter what the letters on the doors say because it has always been failed leadership and unrealistic expectations from east pilots that elected them.

What was it you all said why you wanted out of ALPA? Lack of information to the line pilots? How is that complete information blackout working for you over this MOU?

The meeting agenda was an update from the NAC. Yet here we are day 3 of an update from the NAC.

What was the other thing you guys complained about, the roll call vote. Word has leaked out that someone was threatening to raise the roll call vote. Now who would that be? The west reps? No! The DCA reps with their 200 votes? No! Could it be the self proclaimed defenders of the pilots from themselves reps?

Speaking of the CLT reps what was the other big complain why you left ALPA but had nothing to do with the Nicolau? ALPA would never call a meeting so that you could recall one of your leaders. Here we are once again a petition has been turned in to get the three CLT reps recalled. Has a vote been scheduled yet? Has the issue even been discussed by the BPR yet? NO! Shocking.

After 5 years right back where you started. New organization same old east BS and lack of intelligence.

The sad part about all of this is nothing has changed. Same fear and BS, just 5 years down the road and you are going to end up with the Nicolau and a contract just slightly better than the Kirby which you could have had 5 years ago. The only difference is the east pilots have embarrassed themselves and the union movement with your antics, cost all of us over $100,000 each and caused a division in the pilot group that will most likely never be fixed.

Boys you have earned your spot in the history books of unions. Good in a good way.

Next time you see Bradford and Cleary thank them for the high price they cost you with no return.

 

[3dtv]

AGH,

I strongly concur with above and have written all NAC / phl BPR / merger com / SB & least of all trusted GH.

If your DCA based, please do whatever it takes to bring these 2 BPR traitors back to reality.

Please take the time to write these folks unless your the pink panty Dan E kinda guy.

FA

You really are a fool.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Welcome back to ALPA boys. Or to be more accurate welcome to the dysfunctional organization that you guys have always had. It does not matter what the letters on the doors say because it has always been failed leadership and unrealistic expectations from east pilots that elected them.

What was it you all said why you wanted out of ALPA? Lack of information to the line pilots? How is that complete information blackout working for you over this MOU?

The meeting agenda was an update from the NAC. Yet here we are day 3 of an update from the NAC.

What was the other thing you guys complained about, the roll call vote. Word has leaked out that someone was threatening to raise the roll call vote. Now who would that be? The west reps? No! The DCA reps with their 200 votes? No! Could it be the self proclaimed defenders of the pilots from themselves reps?

Speaking of the CLT reps what was the other big complain why you left ALPA but had nothing to do with the Nicolau? ALPA would never call a meeting so that you could recall one of your leaders. Here we are once again a petition has been turned in to get the three CLT reps recalled. Has a vote been scheduled yet? Has the issue even been discussed by the BPR yet? NO! Shocking.

After 5 years right back where you started. New organization same old east BS and lack of intelligence.

The sad part about all of this is nothing has changed. Same fear and BS, just 5 years down the road and you are going to end up with the Nicolau and a contract just slightly better than the Kirby which you could have had 5 years ago. The only difference is the east pilots have embarrassed themselves and the union movement with your antics, cost all of us over $100,000 each and caused a division in the pilot group that will most likely never be fixed.

Boys you have earned your spot in the history books of unions. Good in a good way.

Next time you see Bradford and Cleary thank them for the high price they cost you with no return.

Change occurs in direct proportion to dissatisfaction, but dissatisfaction never changes.

 

[Metroyet]

I agree with that. But I also see that in this instance, it's really important that they get ALL the details straight before they make anything public. There are so many factions in the Pilot ranks, all of whom have an agenda, that clarity is more important than ever. I mean, just look at what has occurred so far. Even thought they have lost in every court available to them, the westies still insist that they are going to get the Nic. Pretty unbelievable. And pretty stupid.

Make it ripe with a ratified doh contract. It's only been 5 years now what's taking you scab idiots so long?

 

[Bill Brasky]

Make it ripe with a ratified doh contract. It's only been 5 years now what's taking you scab idiots so long?

Yep, let's do it. Then you can lose another court case. DOH has already been shown to be within a "wide range of reasonableness".

Let's get on with it.

 

[fifidriver]

All,
..."There are times in everyone's life when you reach a point where decisions are made that will affect you for the rest of your life...

...we are offered an MOU that dumps that change of control clause and instead we are offered a poultry $10,000 before taxes...

BG

Did Dougie finally figure out how to get Luv's vote? A "poultry $10,000" has got to be just a boatload of chicken!!!