Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

You must have been out that day... USAPA is bound to intergretion by DOH. Surely you've seen the stickers."DOH leads to unity"....

There is your problem. usapa is bound to DOH. M/B arbitration, the company and APA are not. The company is bound by a contract so is usapa. Being bound by DOH is why usapa will not be able to negotiate a list and why it will go to arbitration. Arbitration is not DOH.

Little sayings do not answer my question. I asked for details. How does usapa and the east pilots avoid the Nicolau?

 

[Phoenix]

There is no "veto power", in binding arbitration, and there is no "veto power" in fact or implied in the TA.

You are confusing the ability to force separate operations by frustrating Operational Pilot Integration,with some hair brained union busting lawyers scam on milking a bunch of scabs for over $10 million, getting them to believe in the
fantasy you just wrote.

No changes here at ol'e LCC, still only have one system seniority list and it is still the Nic.

 

[Phoenix]

Equal protection? Like the west has had from usapa?

Well it will be the APA that decides who and what gets protected. The first thing APA will do is protect the organization from liability, just like ALPA did. That would mean using the Nicolau. Combining operations is also protecting everyone equally. Not delaying to negotiate some made up list and C&R.

A DOH list places 85% of the east in the top 50% of the combined list and 61% of the american pilots would go in the bottom 50% of a combined list. That is not protecting everyone equally.

You may be responding but you are not answering the question. So I ask again what is the plan for the east hard core DOH junkies to avoid the Nicolau?

I am touched again. Your pursuit is cute, in an annoying way. :wub:

 

[cleardirect]

You mention steaming piles. That would be the way alpa national gave to the west pilots a 10 percent DC plan and profit sharing, they had neither in their west agreement. In the poorly written transition agreement by alpa, it was given away with nothing in return.

You say it is not rocket science, yet your alpa type explanation above, makes it rocket science.

Incorrect!

It was not ALPA national or the AA pilots that got us a DC plan, we already had that.

It was the AWA MEC that got the west profit sharing in the transition agreement. What was it the east pilots gone? Anything? Sounds like poor negotiations if they got nothing. Oh wait maybe they got their airline saved and that was enough.

 

[cleardirect]

Excuse me, I thought we were dealing with facts. "I believe the West already had a contribution.." They did not, it was given away by alpa.

Find someone to read the west contract to you since you don't understand it.

 

[dca319]

Excuse me, I thought we were dealing with facts. "I believe the West already had a contribution.." They did not, it was given away by alpa.

You can verify your facts (incorrect as they are) by downloading their contract (like I did) so you don't make us all look stupid.

 

[cleardirect]

I am touched again. Your pursuit is cute, in an annoying way. :wub:

So you don't have an answer. Kind of my point. All roads lead to the Nicolau. They always did. The east pilots just wasted 5 years getting to where we were going to always be.

 

[Ames]

I've been very flexible Jake = 5-10K+, or as appropriate for the individual, or even just for fun. It's not about the money for me. You should well know that, given my stance on the nic BS these last five years. Terms of "victory" to be pre-set by the challenged person, by way of numer of aerial "engagements"....I honestly don't much know how much more generous I could get. Still...not so much as even ONE westie "Hero/Dire Wolf/whatever" seems up for it....all that's ever heard in response is completely childish BS.

Their own glorious Rep, Cactusboy, is equally aversive towards any meeting.....I think it must be a "West thing" 😉

I ask you seriously Jake = WHY should I have even the slightest respect left for these people? Better question = HOW can I even manage to have any respect for them?

Whatever our manifest differences...I never figured you for a complete wimp Jake. I'd guess that even you and I could mix it up for a "loser buys dinner"...yes...your ass would get kicked, ....but not these west "knights", "spartans", etc, it seems....They just run deep into the BS/Fantasyland region, whenever challenged....dunno if it's misplaced arrogance that doesn't wish/can't personally afford to be proved wrong...or just plain chickenshit virus throughout their "ranks"....All I can say is that I've honestly NEVER met people like these before...and that covers well more than half a century of dealing with fellow members of the human race... 🙂

You and I could likely work out the mutally agreeable details of any wager....but these westie punks just RUN, without even thinking otherwise! I've honestly NEVER before seen the likes of these people in my lifetime....It's like dealing with aliens from another world!...No sense of Honor...no evidence of any personal "pair"...just smarm...and ..well NOTHING! to determine them to even be PEOPLE, much less Pilots!

Oh, so there is a real wager/bet to be had here. Normally I would accept a wager but why would I do so with a lying POS who has already proven that he won't honor his agreements? If I lose I pay. If I win you reneg. You're good at that....and experienced.

 

[Claxon]

You must have missed the day a jury turned in the guilty verdict towards the scabs and their scab C&BLs.

No worries, the company was there, having colluded with Seeham and getting themselves out of the lawsuit by bringing the TA10 grievance before the system board.

What do you think the damage award will be against the East pilots? Give the East pilots a head up so they can plan.

 

[Ames]

No need to fret, little princess. Surprisingly, I'm sure, to what laughably passes for your tiny "mind" (with Oh so much flying experience contained..if we count Xbox time) and against the obviously established AWA hiring "standards". = dumpsters behind bad country western bars after closing, or pathetic little punks from the nearest baby bird, civilian "school",..better yet, some pathetic commuter/Mesa that basically took dogs off the street...well...safe aircraft ops don't actually require the removal of one's spine, testicals and a pre-frontal lobotomy procedure...but...you couldn't possibly understand any of that son...since you would have first needed to ever be burdened by any such concerns, ie, balls , a brain and a spine, which, you clearly and directly never were. 🙂

Being nothing more that an utterly worthless, spinless, brain-dead chickenshit's no one's problem but your own...project as you wish otherwise. 😉

You're certainly welcome to contiue to strive to make your personal stupidity "fashionable"..but good luck with that. 😉 The only people you'll be able to sell such BS to,,,are...well those like yourself...which is an ugly thought indeed..

PM if , as unlikely as that is, you ever grow a spine and a pair, little,...ummm..."pilot" 🙂 Only the most pathetic, politically "correct", little nutless wimps state even the slightest aversion to any, even simulated "fights"....How just too sweet for words, and completely precious it is, that you're the sort that does. 😉 How sweet indeed...Not too much in the line of dates with many females during your life, I'd easilly guess.

Your latest, smarmy little BS, I'll have to take as yet another cowardly refusal to fly?....? 🙂 Don't fret kid...not everyone can have even the slightest, personal character...and you just don't.

No matter...you would do yourself a favor to stop mindlessly mouthing off. There's at least 6 avenues of character deficiency exploration you've stupidly, or honestly, if you have those deficits, afforded from just your latest posting.

Let me know if you're interested in any of those.

Bottom line? = Being a coward's no badge of merit son, and you are one.

Isn't this the guy who claims to have a Master's in Psychology? I guess he would know better than most how to be nuts!

 

[Claxon]

Incorrect!

It was not ALPA national or the AA pilots that got us a DC plan, we already had that.

It was the AWA MEC that got the west profit sharing in the transition agreement. What was it the east pilots gone? Anything? Sounds like poor negotiations if they got nothing. Oh wait maybe they got their airline saved and that was enough.

Well I am sure the East pilots appreciate a furloughed west pilot like you being able to save them.

As far as your "It was not ALPA national or the AA pilots that got us a DC plan, we already had that." Please proved a quote from your contract, regarding your assertion.

 

[dca319]

Well I am sure the East pilots appreciate a furloughed west pilot like you being able to save them.

As far as your "It was not ALPA national or the AA pilots that got us a DC plan, we already had that." Please proved a quote from your contract, regarding your assertion.

Man, Claxon, you're really not helping here.

 

[Claxon]

You can verify your facts (incorrect as they are) by downloading their contract (like I did) so you don't make us all look stupid.

Your a west pilot that took a recall to the East, you are not stupid. Clear did not take a east recall. He is living in his parents house. Living in ones parents house is not a bad move, unless your waiting for damages or the nicolau.

 

[Claxon]

Man, Claxon, you're really not helping here.

Not helping you personally, I agree. Your west affiliation posts are steaming.

 

[Claxon]

Yup. When you make an agreement, you are supposed to live up to it...no special rules apply like making up your own phony union to get out of the responsibilities you agree to.

Good luck dealing with the deluded, they are like a cult and they are realizing that the end of the world didn't happen and they didn't go to heaven.

Hey nb, 100 a week and all you can eat, is that why you left one garbage company for another?