Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[doh nogo]

Clax has become quite a pathetic sort, its like Marilyn Manson going door trying to shock people to stay relevant.

What a sad little person, but, he is the USAPA poster child, so it fits.

Claxhole is the one with the ears!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg

 

[traderjake]

It's a slow news day.....

They were not impressed on the Southwest board.

 

[Zone5]

Seajay,

Just like they did not ask our opinion or permission for a merger they won't be in any hurry to let us know the details.
Have you been to DUB recently?

Regards,

Bob

Bob,

I hope you and yours are enjoying your much deserved retirement! I appreciate your continued interest in the goings on here at "As The Airline Turns". I truly enjoyed flying with you and will miss your "Statesman like" perspective in the crew room.

Haven't been to DUB in quite some time, that trip is still a favorite "training buy" and isn't available much anymore, what with all the training going on. I still have and proudly wear my "Brazen Head" ball cap I bought the last time we flew there together!

I'm back on "part time" Winter help status, 25 years doesn't buy much at AAA, not that I'm complaining, I got paid $800.00/flt hr in Dec and had all the Holidays off to boot! Oh well, somebody has to do it.

Again, thanks for the great times and best of luck to you and yours!

Best Regards,

seajay

 

[Zone5]

I wouldn't be surprised if the seniority issue went well into 2014, if not 2015.

I'm pulling for more like 2018, at which point it won't matter to me at all!


seajay

 

[Zone5]

Surprise, surprise, the one group that wants AMR to exit a stand alone so they can grab a chunk of it's equity then parachute into the county club. I've said it before, Parker may have his problems, but we could do far, far worse.

Bean

True enough! Those AMR boys really, really hate their management team and I'm sure they have lots of reasons to do so. I mean think about it, they are so pissed off that they "want" to get in bed with "Team Tempe", really? That's some "serious" hatred!


seajay

 

[nevergiveup]

Anybody notice lately that the Nic is still the only accepted system seniority list at LCC?


PS.


Um...ther is nothing more, that is just the initials of the law firm that has kicked uscabba's assets!

If you say so.

 

[767one]

Bob,

I hope you and yours are enjoying your much deserved retirement! I appreciate your continued interest in the goings on here at "As The Airline Turns". I truly enjoyed flying with you and will miss your "Statesman like" perspective in the crew room.

Haven't been to DUB in quite some time, that trip is still a favorite "training buy" and isn't available much anymore, what with all the training going on. I still have and proudly wear my "Brazen Head" ball cap I bought the last time we flew there together!

I'm back on "part time" Winter help status, 25 years doesn't buy much at AAA, not that I'm complaining, I got paid $800.00/flt hr in Dec and had all the Holidays off to boot! Oh well, somebody has to do it.

Again, thanks for the great times and best of luck to you and yours!

Best Regards,

seajay

Seajay,

Thanks for the kind words and I enjoyed working with you. Glad you got the holidays off. Thanks to the employees at PHL and DUB, the crew of the trip, and the staff at the Gresham plus many others my last trip was the most memorable trip of my career. Of course the question I get asked most is "do you miss flying?" The answer is that I still think airplanes are cool but what I really miss is the folks that I have worked with all these years.


All the best!

Bob

 

[nevergiveup]

Mooo.....I mean MOU. About as exciting as Sap results.

 

[cactusboy53]

January 15, 2013

JOINT PRESIDENTS' MESSAGE

Fellow Pilots,­­­
The US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA) and Allied Pilots Association (APA) share the goal of achieving the best possible contract for our memberships, and the increasing possibility of a US Airways-American Airlines merger has brought us together to work for that common cause. While this is the first joint communication you are receiving, your respective negotiating committees have been working well together since shortly after the announcement of the possible merger last April. Additionally, USAPA and APA have enjoyed a good working relationship for years though our mutual involvement with the Coalition of Airline Pilots Associations (CAPA), advancing common interests that affect our profession.

One of the results of these cooperative efforts has been the memorandum of understanding (MOU) that was approved by the USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives on Jan. 4, 2013 for a membership vote and by the APA Board of Directors on Dec. 29, 2012. This MOU was the product of extensive discussions during the last month with our unions and representatives from US Airways, American Airlines and the AMR Unsecured Creditors’ Committee. Due to restrictions imposed by a confidentiality agreement, we have been unable to share any details of this MOU with you until now.

In addition to this joint update, you will be receiving information today from your respective negotiating committees outlining what the MOU means to you. If the merger is eventually approved, this MOU along with the APA-American Airlines 2012 Collective Bargaining Agreement will serve as the foundation for the joint collective bargaining agreement (JCBA) for the combined pilot force. Your negotiating committees will continue working together as we develop this contract, jointly pursuing the best possible outcome for our memberships and striving to expeditiously join other pilot groups that are already enjoying substantially improved contracts.

We recognize the prospect for substantial improvements this potential merger holds for both pilot groups. We will continue our partnership in this effort and will update you as conditions warrant. Should this merger take place, we are looking forward to utilizing the best assets from both unions to work toward a JCBA that we can all be proud of—a JCBA that propels the “New American Airlines” to the top of the industry.

Gary Hummel Keith Wilson
President, USAPA President, APA

 

[AAviator]

MOU is available...

 

[high*flyer]

"In addition to this joint update, you will be receiving information today from your respective negotiating committees outlining what the MOU means to you."

Not to pick picking nits, but the BPR has been sitting on this since Jan. 4, I would have expected a joint/joint message from The BPR and the Neg. Comm....add your own spin.

 

[john john]

https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/ctl/ArticleView/mid/1983/articleId/2523/Negotiating-Committee-overview-of-the-MOU.aspx

Negotiating Committee Overview of the MOU​

In December, APA participated in negotiations to develop a memorandum of understanding (MOU) addressing issues related to a potential merger inside bankruptcy. The talks were facilitated by the Unsecured Creditors’ Committee and included senior management from US Airways and AMR, as well as negotiators from the US Airlines Pilots Association (USAPA). We worked very closely with the USAPA Negotiating Committee throughout this process. The APA Board of Directors voted on Dec. 29 to approve the MOU by a vote of 11-5. The USAPA Board of Pilot Representatives approved the MOU on Jan. 4 by a vote of 11-0.

To view the MOU, click here.​

To view questions and answers regarding the MOU process, click here.​

Key Components of the MOU​

• The document replaces the conditional labor agreement (CLA) negotiated with US Airways management in April 2012 and serves as a Merger Transition Agreement.
• The MOU starts with the APA 2012 Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA) as the baseline contract for all pilots, and allows APA to make $522 million in contractual improvements ($87 million per year over six years).
• USAPA pilots will be covered under the modified APA 2012 CBA on the Effective Date, which will be the date the Plan of Reorganization is approved by the bankruptcy court.
• A timeline is established for negotiating a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA) with USAPA participation until such time as one union is certified by the National Mediation Board (NMB) to be the collective bargaining representative of the combined pilot craft or class, at which time the duly-certified representative shall have the exclusive authority to negotiate the JCBA on behalf of the pilots.
• For USAPA, the JBCA will be a new contract. For APA, the JCBA will be an amendment to our current contract.

To view the timeline established by the MOU, click here.​

• APA must file a single-carrier petition with the NMB within four months of the Effective Date of the MOU.
• Provisions and procedures are established for a Seniority List Integration process in accordance with McCaskill-Bond.
• The MOU provides initial flying protections until fence provisions are established as part of the Seniority List Integration process.

All existing AA aircraft, including orders and options, will be flown by current APA pilots.
All existing US aircraft, including orders and options, will be flown by current USAPA pilots.
US Airways pilots will fly the first thirty E190 aircraft and starting with the 31[sup]st[/sup] E190, APA will receive two E190 aircraft for every additional E190 above thirty flown by US Airways pilots.
Shuttle operations (BOS-LGA-DCA) will be flown by current USAPA pilots, along with existing PHX-Hawaii flying.
All transpacific (Asia) flying will be performed by current APA pilots.

• Minimum block hour floors are established at US and AA to prevent the new company from drawing down either operation at the expense of the other. Pay protection is provided for pilots subject to displacements (subject to contract modification and valuation phase).
• If either US Airways or American Airlines is hiring, furloughed pilots on either side may volunteer to fly for the other operation. Furlough protection will be provided to all pilots at both operations, who are senior to the most junior active pilot on the Effective Date.
• Carried over from the Conditional Labor Agreement are provisions that transition our vacation accruals and daily values to the America West structure (daily value of 3:40), as well as the provision that flights over 16:00 hours will be manned by two captains and two first officers. Similar to the CLA, the MOU has no provision for profit-sharing.
• The APA 2012 CBA Section 1 will preserve the limit for regional feed aircraft of 76 seats and 86,000 lbs and will grandfather seventy-six aircraft which are below 86,000 lbs but currently flying with more than 76 seats. Total regional operations will be limited to 75% of the mainline narrow-body fleet count and large regional aircraft (66-76 seats plus grandfathered) will be limited to 40% of the mainline narrow-body fleet count in 2016 and thereafter. Domestic code-sharing will be limited to 15% (down from 50% in our current contract). The international baseline will be updated to include international hours flown by US Airways.
• The MOU also requires the new company to uphold the arbitration decision outlined in LOA 12-05 that will address the elimination of Supplement CC and the drawdown of the STL pilot base.

Contract Modifications​

As mentioned previously, the MOU gives APA $522 million to spend on contractual improvements, subject to a valuation phase and arbitration (if required). On Thursday, Jan. 3, 2013, the APA Board directed the Negotiating Committee to make specific contractual modifications to our 2012 CBA during the valuation phase outlined in the MOU. Since these modifications have not been mutually agreed to, we will communicate them in a separate message in the near future.
This MOU negotiation is just one milestone in this process and will require approval of the two corporate boards of directors as well as the approval of the bankruptcy court. It is our goal to provide additional educational materials in the near future in order to answer the many questions you may have associated with the MOU and the potential merger process ahead.
You APA Negotiating Committee

 

[Beancounter]

So let me get this straight. The APA pilots can log in and view the MOU right now. My union (USAPA) has mailed a copy to me via first class snail mail, meaning I should see it within a week......maybe? Oh man, this would be so funny if it wasn't so sad.

Bean

 

[crazystnic]

relax Bean, it's on the website...
what concerns me is the pay rate and still only 40M payout....
it will work out to about 2000 extra per month. before taxes.. not enough.. just sayin

 

[Beancounter]

relax Bean, it's on the website...
what concerns me is the pay rate and still only 40M payout....
it will work out to about 2000 extra per month. before taxes.. not enough.. just sayin

Thanks. They couldn't just say that in the e-mail?

Understand your concern about pay, but...........if the APA votes yes and USAPA votes no, what do you think will happen? Most likely the merger will proceed, the only difference being you'll get to enjoy LOA93 a bit longer. Let's say for conversation sake, there is no merger. With DOH in USAPA's constitution and the company unable, because of liability, to grant it, you'll get to enjoy LOA93 a loooooooooot longer...just sayin.

Bean