Yep. We're done. Time to face facts. I just hope you superior aviatiors find it in your hearts to forgive us for fighting you and accept us for the flawed people that we are.
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Yep. We're done. Time to face facts. I just hope you superior aviatiors find it in your hearts to forgive us for fighting you and accept us for the flawed people that we are.
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Tell me this ain't true.
The Year 11 and 12 E190 Captain's pay is the same as the 320/737 F/O's pay?
The Year 11 and 12 E190 Captain's pay is the same as the 320/737 F/O's pay?
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Yes but there is this little nugget in there too.... Grp I capt will be paid Grp III F/O rate and Grp I f/o will be paid Grp II f/o rate. Unless you can hold a higher paying position.....
13. Commencing on the date of single operating certificate for US Airways and New American
Airlines or their successors (if any), all pilots, who have established and maintain seniority on the US
Airways mainline system and who are eligible for furlough protection pursuant to Paragraph 11 above,
will be paid in accordance with the Group I pay rates as set forth in Paragraph 22 when flying a Group
I aircraft except for the following pay protection: a Group I captain shall be paid at Group Ill first officer
pay rates unless the captain can hold a Group Ill first officer or higher-paying position; a Group I first
officer shall be paid at Group II first officer pay rates unless the first officer can hold a Group II first
officer or higher-paying position.
13. Commencing on the date of single operating certificate for US Airways and New American
Airlines or their successors (if any), all pilots, who have established and maintain seniority on the US
Airways mainline system and who are eligible for furlough protection pursuant to Paragraph 11 above,
will be paid in accordance with the Group I pay rates as set forth in Paragraph 22 when flying a Group
I aircraft except for the following pay protection: a Group I captain shall be paid at Group Ill first officer
pay rates unless the captain can hold a Group Ill first officer or higher-paying position; a Group I first
officer shall be paid at Group II first officer pay rates unless the first officer can hold a Group II first
officer or higher-paying position.
But the company's exposure to a DFR isn't dead. We shouldn't drop our guard.
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The Company's actual exposure to any DFR was put to bed in summer of 2010. And the corpse was cut into small pieces by Judge Silver a few months ago. The "vote" by all members will soon relieve of Parker of his faux concerns as to liability, and remove any chances he has of continuing substandard wages. But he won't care, the merger and it's big money rules. The NIC is the last thing Horton, APA, USAPA, the UCC, and Parker want to even be acknowledged. It's over, once more and with gusto. Better vote "no" if you want to save the "nic."Greeter
Completely disagree. The letter from The company's VP of Legal Paul Jones to the NMB stated a completely different position regarding the Nicolau. They have not been relieved of anything.
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Of course it did. Parker and his team wiill do anything they can to continue the lie that thier hands are tied. Really? A letter from Jones to the NMB? You have to be kidding. Better vote "no" on the MOU..its your only hope Luke!Greeter
Whole that was typically sarcastic, and none-too-subtle, well I can and long since have forgiven people that wanted me and my fellows dead. They were just doing their nations' and their own personal Duty. This little labor squabble mess ain't anything to much lose any sleep over.
America's top fighter Aces died in flying accidents. The first man in space, Yuri Gagarin did likewise. The NASA ranks lost an astronaut to friggin' birds impacting his T-38/himself. Not one person who's ever flown is, has ever been, or can/ever will be an entirely and magically "superior aviator" at all times. Perhaps you should pass that on to some of your less evolved, utter and completely infantile nitwits that imagine themselves to be "accident-bullet-proof-forever-Aces" Ames. I'm guessing that you, as do I, personally know better than that. The whole point of my seemingly arrogant wagers was just to put some personal and human faces onto this mess and have some mutual grins...not too mention likely pick up a few bucks = admittedly, typically arrogant speech of pilot-type folks there 😉 As for "fighting"? = Let's honestly allow that no such thing has happened here at all. This whole sorry debacle's been entirely an issue of talk, more talk, and a few lawyers...nothing more. Real fighting fills caskets and hospitals.
I've no long term, personal dog in this, as you imagine it to be "fight". Again: Real fights fill caskets. I hope that most of the east vs west/west vs east people will eventually find some, however initially slight, mutual merit in each other....Such makes for a more enjoyable working enviornment. Both sides have, for years now, taken their "best shots". Whatever's to be at this point will be.
That's apparently axiomatic and certainly well established fact from the past years.The funniest "joke" within any crew news I ever saw was when discussing combined contracts was involved, the phrase "Because it's the right thing to do" was used. 😉
Really? While flattered a bit there, well... you should get out more...or at least give it some time. 🙂
Yes, really. Regardless, I'm voting yes for the MOU and recall.
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Have any names been floated as possible replacements in CLT?
I haven't heard of any. I would assume if this recall is successful, there will have to be nomination ballots sent out and then an election of new Reps. That process will take quite some time. And the CLT domicile will not be represented during that time. I don't think this is the time to have CLT (or any domicile) without representation... Poor timing with the possible merger entering a critical phase...
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I think it is poor timing that you come here and just make stuff up. At no time will the CLT pilots be unrepresented. You might want to give the Sec/Tres a call and get the real story. I agree, we are indeed in a "critical" phase of flight. More the reason to get unqualified reps out of the seat. Karen Black could do a better job than they are. Greeter
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If the current reps are recalled will interim reps be appointed? If not, will the current reps continue until new reps are elected? Do we have enough time in the proposed merger timeline to elect new reps(before we become APA)? Will CLT pilots be under represented during the upcoming SLI negotiations and/or JCBA talks?
I'm somewhat agnostic on this recall issue, but I would like to have some sense of what I'm latching onto before I let go of my present handhold.
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