Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Pi brat]

The process was not followed as the PIC violated comm policy during the recall. Standby to standby.

Yeah, but that is a technicality. And, even though they shouldn't have sent the message, the fact is that many on that committee are respected. Bottom line-the recall was tied to MOU I. MOU 2 is better, so the message lost it's punch. Add to that several hundred votes against just because one of our pilots was for it, and there you have it.

 

[Pi brat]

I have a call into the NAC, but I presume that the 13.5% pre-merger would translate into a percentage of the new company. For instance if the successor were to offer the UCC 70 cents on the dollar, then a member of the UCC would see a return of 70% of the original investment. That's just a guess.

When I get a response, I'll try to tack in on this thread.

CB

This has been answered. As Parker is proposing, 30% will go to current US shareholders. How will AA pilots get a part of that? It's 13 or so % of the AA, before a merger. There % after a merger, if there is one, will depend on market forces. Just like the east pilots stake did after the US/AWA merger. I cannot understand why this is an issue for some.

 

[Pi brat]

Proof that around 70% of the east pilots are morons.

Geez. The fact that I am in the camp that YOU are not calling a moron bothers me.

 

[signals]

The process was not followed as the PIC violated comm policy during the recall. Standby to standby.

Typical Move!

He's like the WT of US.

He allegedly has me on ignore, btw.

Me thinks he is suckering one in.

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

 

[signals]

Yeah, but that is a technicality. And, even though they shouldn't have sent the message, the fact is that many on that committee are respected. Bottom line-the recall was tied to MOU I. MOU 2 is better, so the message lost it's punch. Add to that several hundred votes against just because one of our pilots was for it, and there you have it.

I think that you are a fly in Move2CLT's web 😛h34r:

 

[cleardirect]

You just can't admit the truth, but no surprise there.


Bottom line?....some have said that it is a shame that we, (USAirways pilots) are signing on to a “bankruptcy contract”; but that isn’t true. In fact we are signing on to less than the bankrupt American pilots are getting, in every single area. The MOU contains no guarantees for seniority integration, minimum airframes, minimum block hours, no provisions to preserve our attrition, a certainty that the merged airline will shrink and that the USAirways pilots will suffer, no equity in the New American....shall I go on?

The pay protections are temporary at best and the end of USAirways International flying is a very real option, by the flawed language of the MOU. This document gives management carte blanche to move flying around, furlough, merger into a single carrier, or not...all completely at their discretion.

In return, we get a temporary pay raise, which is substandard in the extreme and is delayed, unlike our bankrupt merger partners, whose pay is already up. We enhance the value of their equity stake in the New American and we get zero.

If this MOU is voted in, we will have demonstrated that Right and Wrong are heavily outweighed by Fear and Anxiety.

The last time a Union sent out the desperate sounding hyperbole, it was the last APA President, days before he was ousted. This is what one gets, when a bunch of wannabe management pilots get ahold of a union. Hope you guys are right and I am completely wrong about this MOU; but I doubt it. It will take a year or so, for the reality of what you guys have done to sink in, (assuming this turd passes). Then, it will be far too late.

Again, hope you’re right and I am wrong. Mostly, I hope this MOU fails and that someone else gets to renegotiate the terms; because Gary and the NAC have failed.

Good luck to us all.



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What am I missing?

If this MOU fails. The company has no obligation to negotiate.

The NAC is still the same NAC.
The BPR is still the same BPR.
The president is still the same president.

What is going to change?

You can "HOPE" all day long but it does not change the FACTS.

BTW!!!!! Welcome to a merger moron. All those thing you complain about are what happens in a merger. Things change. You don't get to lock yourself in your bases and keep all the goodies while the other side watches.

Maybe you are new to the airline industry.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Unofficial report:

The Recall of the CLT Reps failed.

I figured as much. Had they been recalled, the Comm Committee would have sent an SMS and an email by quarter past two this afternoon.

 

[dca319]

Yeah, but that is a technicality. And, even though they shouldn't have sent the message, the fact is that many on that committee are respected. Bottom line-the recall was tied to MOU I. MOU 2 is better, so the message lost it's punch. Add to that several hundred votes against just because one of our pilots was for it, and there you have it.

I'm pretty sure respect doesn't mitigate a comm policy violation - especially during a recall.

 

[cleardirect]

Now were going to try to change just one horse!!!!!

Good luck with that.

I asked before but got mo answer.

You need about 1000 signatures to get it on the ballot and 2000 votes to remove Hummel. Are you going to come to PHX or just ignore the 1200 votes out here and try and do it just with east votes?

Because if so you are going to need 70% of the east to carry out your threat. Think you can get 70% to follow you?

You demanded answers from the CLT recall guys. How about you tell us who you are going to replace Hummel with?

Run crazy Cleary again?
McKee could not pull it off last time, going to run a loser again?

who are you going to replace Hummel with?

 

[nycbusdriver]

NOW THE RECALL OF HUMMEL STARTS.!!

Go ahead. Piss into the wind. Good luck with that.

 

[cleardirect]

Yeah, but that is a technicality. And, even though they shouldn't have sent the message, the fact is that many on that committee are respected. Bottom line-the recall was tied to MOU I. MOU 2 is better, so the message lost it's punch. Add to that several hundred votes against just because one of our pilots was for it, and there you have it.

Probably should wait and see how "respected" those committee members will be until after the trial. BTW I noticed you said many and not all are respected. Must be a couple on that committee that are not so respected.

$4 million with nothing to show for it might change some peoples minds.

 

[EastUS1]

BTW!!!!! Welcome to a merger moron. All those thing you complain about are what happens in a merger. Things change. You don't get to lock yourself in your bases and keep all the goodies while the other side watches.

Maybe you are new to the airline industry.

Many thanks for your polite, erudite and sage wisdom. Having only experienced three mergers thus far, (well, four if you count this AWA-US "cluster")...I'll naturally defer to you for future guidance.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Congrats to the CLT reps. Time to move on, the process was followed and a bigger majority of the pilots voted than I expected. If this was an anomaly, there will be an election in the fall. Interesting who got the most YES(to recall) votes.

What will really be interesting are the results of the PHL rep election which closes on Thursday at 2 pm.

Will it go "one way," or the "other way." Or, will the PHL pilots "split" the representation again?

 

[signals]

I'm pretty sure respect doesn't mitigate a comm policy violation - especially during a recall.

You are now in the parlor, fly.

 

[Pi brat]

I'm pretty sure respect doesn't mitigate a comm policy violation - especially during a recall.

Well, yeah it does. Because you can run it again if if the voters still feel the same, how will it turn out?

It was almost 3 to 1 against. How clear does it have to be?