Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[traderjake]

McKee conceded that he is not a supporter of the memorandum of understanding, expected to be approved in pilot voting that concludes on Friday, which would be implemented in an expected merger with American Airlines. The MOU would bring $1.6 billion worth of benefits to US Airways pilots. They would receive pay increases of 13% to 35% over current rates and substantial increases beyond that, as well as lump sum payments of $10,000 each, as their pay is brought to the level of American pilots.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2013/02/06/us-airways-pilots-in-charlotte-defeat-recall-effort/?partner=yahootix

 

[nevergiveup]

It's not a contract.

How about, "I don't sign an MOU and work out the language later."

 

[Phoenix]

I don't sign a contract then work out the language later.
NO.

Thank you, and we might add that the company is very explicit about some of our largest concessions... I.e. Not much need for the company to work out details that affect their interests.. Just a need to work out our interests (when the company no longer has any insentive to do so).

 

[Phoenix]

New information? You mean the long opinion of the grievance chairman?

I would point to his record of wins and losses as far as his opinion goes....

That's the point. After being defeated repeatedly by weak, uninforcable contract language contained in ALPA contracts (especially LOA 93, and the TA that failed to get you your precious Nic) there is no one in the union who is more suited to joint the discussion about holes or hand grenades hiding in this MOU.

The continual sales job and exclusions of any actual analysis of the MOU itself is disappointing. I expected better from leaders who promise transparency.

 

[traderjake]

That's the point. After being defeated repeatedly by weak, uninforcable contract language contained in ALPA contracts (especially LOA 93, and the TA that failed to get you your precious Nic) there is no one in the union who is more suited to joint the discussion about holes or hand grenades hiding in this MOU.

LOA93 was lost not because of weak contract language, it was lost because there was no snapbaack negotiated in the first place.

Some of the MEC Reps at the time said to vote no because there was no snap back.

 

[EastUS1]

The continual sales job and exclusions of any actual analysis of the MOU itself is disappointing. I expected better from leaders who promise transparency.

Agreed in full.

 

[Phoenix]

IT'S NOT A CONTRACT! It's a Memorandum of Understanding, which among other things, gets us a seat at the JCBA table. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Would you rather stand outside in the rain while APA writes the contract?

Unbelievable!


seajay

If management is asking the pilot group to accept their offer via a "yes vote", in exhange for giving up all our LPPs and scope, we are presently at the table (it is our table until we agree to sell it). Once we sell, they have what they want and negotiations are pointless (at least for them).

 

[wopr21]

I wonder how many "No MOU" voters on this board would change their vote to "YES" if they would have to stay on LOA 93 by voting "No". While the rest of us get on the train and move on down the tracks to a new future.
They would be willing to risk an uncertain outcome with COC and new contract negotiations. Unbelievable...

 

[EastUS1]

..... the company is very explicit about some of our largest concessions... I.e. Not much need for the company to work out details that affect their interests.. Just a need to work out our interests.....

I'm utterly amazed that this apparently concerns so few around here.

 

[EastUS1]

I wonder how many "No MOU" voters on this board would change their vote to "YES" if they would have to stay on LOA 93 by voting "No". While the rest of us get on the train and move on down the tracks to a new future.
They would be willing to risk an uncertain outcome with COC and new contract negotiations. Unbelievable...

The future, by it's very nature is always "new." "New" hardly determines the quality of it though. "While the rest of us get on the train.."? Why bother with the mundane? Go with riding unicorns through fields of flowers under rainbows at least. 😉 Btw, got any spare "Hope and Change"?

"They would be willing to risk an uncertain outcome.." Each of us does that every day just by getting out of bed.

 

[dca319]

How about, "I don't sign an MOU and work out the language later."

How about "our" (sorry east) lawyer and NAC are comfortable with the language as written.

 

[Phoenix]

It's not a contract.

It gives up scope and LPP protections currently cemented in our current contract. If the vote on the 8th is a yes, then you can sue all want to keep the scope and LPPs in our current contract... You can even tell the judge that we didn't vote on a contact... You could shout it.. IT WASN'T A CONTRACT!! So I suppose the company could say the pay raise isn't there for the same reason.

 

[dca319]

IT'S NOT A CONTRACT! It's a Memorandum of Understanding, which among other things, gets us a seat at the JCBA table. Why is that so hard for people to understand? Would you rather stand outside in the rain while APA writes the contract?

Unbelievable!


seajay

Completely agree.

 

[EastUS1]

How about "our" (sorry east)...

No apologies needed. Feel free to indulge in your amusing little charade for as long as you like. Too few good jokes pop up around here anymore. 🙂

 

[dca319]

It gives up scope and LPP protections currently cemented in our current contract. If the vote on the 8th is a yes, then you can sue all want to keep the scope and LPPs in our current contract... You can even tell the judge that we didn't vote on a contact... You could shout it.. IT WASN'T A CONTRACT!! So I suppose the company could say the pay raise isn't there for the same reason.

Everything we have now is going away. The APA will be negotiating our contract with or without us (sorry east). You no voters are hanging on to a contract that will be gone in a short time.