Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

It gives up scope and LPP protections currently cemented in our current contract. If the vote on the 8th is a yes, then you can sue all want to keep the scope and LPPs in our current contract... You can even tell the judge that we didn't vote on a contact... You could shout it.. IT WASN'T A CONTRACT!! So I suppose the company could say the pay raise isn't there for the same reason.

Cemented in the contract!

What is CoC control or LPP worth? $125/hour for the next 2 years?

If you are so sure of the language why is the Nicolau not cemented in the T/A and FINAL AND BINDING ARBITRATION?

Even your own lawyers are saying the CoC is iffy and would require arbitration. How has that worked out for you lately?

 

[jimntx]

Good letter........From what I can see in this MOU, it looks like money is the only thing the company is willing to negotiate moving forward into the future. It is quite clear, from their draw down on benefits; they are expecting the individual pilots to begin taking responsibility for what is left of everything else: retirement, medical, life insurance, sick, vacation etc.

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God’s Speed to all of you!,
　
Capt. Harrison J. Krenitsky
AB 330 US Airways

Well said, Captain. I wish this could be translated into flight attendant terms for the AA flight attendants. When they consider a TA, they look at the pay rate table, close the TA, and vote. They then spend the next 6-10 years bitching and complaining about quality of life issues that they willingly gave up with their yes votes. (And, will insist to you that ceding that insurance payment contribution by the company or giving up those vacation days was NOT in the contract.)

Listen up, people. Neither Tom Horton nor Doug Parker has your best interests at heart. If the merger results in the "new" AA going out of business within a year, they won't care. They will have already collected their merger bonus.

Enjoy your retirement, sir.

 

[Res Judicata]

But not a negotiated JCBA as required by the trans agreement.

Ok. Sure. Whatever. I'd start thinking REALLY REALLY hard about that elusive LUP. You're going to need one.

 

[traderjake]

I'd like to see this merger happen and get off LOA93, but I won't consent to taking a subordinate position vis a vis the AA pilots from the get go.

Go ahead and vote no but that won't change the fact that AA pilots are Unsecured Creditors and we are not.

They are in a superior position because being an Unsecured Creditor gives them leverage.

 

[Res Judicata]

Good
Capt. Harrison J. Krenitsky
AB 330 US Airways [/b]

This guys career has mostly been a failure! Why on Earth listen to or take advise from a moron at a bottom feeder regional?

 

[traderjake]

I still have 50 hours of holding fuel.

 

[Zone5]

Hopefully used? Where did you get that? In questioned some of the engrained rhetoric that some are spouting about how the Nicolau is dead and not to worry about it. Dropping our guard because we have silly conjecture that we made up that makes us feel good needs to be challenged. I don't champion it's use but I question it's death. Got it now? Sigh?

My read of the MOU and the SLI process it puts into place is that the NIC is dead. If I really thought otherwise, I would not vote for it regardless of anything else in it!

Will a seniority based integration with the APA transpire in the JCBA negotiation/arbitration going forward? Who knows, more than likely some hybrid agreement combining DOH, longevity, relative position, size ratios, equipment ratios, fences, freezes.....ect, ect, ect, will coalesce. Nobody will get everything they want, the "snapshot" will be taken in the present and it won't include the NIC.

Like I said, if I really thought differently, I would not vote for the MOU. As it stands, I believe I am correct and accordingly I am voting yes for the MOU. The pay raise will be a pleasant change also.

We can all lament the deterioration of the Airline Pilot profession till the cows come home and it won't change the reality of the industry one iota. If you look closely at the side by side comparison of the MOU/AMR2012 contract with the United and Delta contracts, you will see that, by 2016, this MOU leads us to an "industry standard" contract in short order. You might not particularly like that "standard" but it is what it is and at the end of the day we have to be able to compete to survive, simple as that!


seajay

 

[Black Swan]

Guess what. You east pilots fu%^& that up and can't be trusted.

From now on contracts will be done first then seniority.

We had a seniority solution but you did not like it and walked away. Now we can never get to a contract.

So cooler heads have removed your ability to delay and damage mergers.

Pack your house up, and get ready to move then. Cause your little desert home is getting "rightsized" No doubt.

 

[Res Judicata]

My read of the MOU and the SLI process it puts into place is that the NIC is dead.

Yep! It's over! You won!

 

[Phoenix]

You poor brave fool! Healthy unicorns are supposed to be a pure and unblemished white! Anyone should know better than to just jump onto whatever first comes along and take a purple one! Well...maybe not around here though. 😉

I thought so but Barney assured me purple was better, and he even said it in a persuasive video.

He briefed with a pointer in his hand, too.

 

[signals]

Hey man, I named him uhaul and it stuck. I'm in nobodies web except AWR's.

Fine. Let me reword it...

Uhaul is playing you and has you in tow.

Not meaning any disrespect, just sayin' 😛h34r:

 

[Zone5]

Ok. Sure. Whatever. I'd start thinking REALLY REALLY hard about that elusive LUP. You're going to need one.

No problem, I'll get right on that LUP thing, just as soon as somebody, ANYBODY, actually comes up with a definition of one!

Start saving up for your next AOL DFR contribution, because after the dust settles, you're not going to like the SLI any better than anyone else. Lawyers really love folks like you.


seajay

 

[Zone5]

This guys career has mostly been a failure! Why on Earth listen to or take advise from a moron at a bottom feeder regional?

You sir, are the very definition of a "No Class Act"!


seajay

 

[Phoenix]

Cemented in the contract!

What is CoC control or LPP worth? $125/hour for the next 2 years?

If you are so sure of the language why is the Nicolau not cemented in the T/A and FINAL AND BINDING ARBITRATION?

Even your own lawyers are saying the CoC is iffy and would require arbitration. How has that worked out for you lately?

You can scream about final and binding all you want but it just proves my point. The reason the Nic wasn't implemented years ago, in spite of millions of dollars of lawyer's work and a trip to multiple courts, even the SCOTUS... well, its because the terms of the contract were not adequate. Blame it on whatever you want but people are always going to be people and if your contract isn't scrutinized and precise enough to actually be enforceable then people will use every means available to their favor.

Vote on the MOU however you like but don't glory in being ignorant or uninterested in an analysis of the imprecise, uncertain, and ambiguous portions. We all have plenty of experience to be without excuse if things don't lead to Valhalla. 🙂

 

[luvthe9]

This guys career has mostly been a failure! Why on Earth listen to or take advise from a moron at a bottom feeder regional?

AWA was always the bottom feeder, to bad you did not take a recall , left out in the cold is no place to be when merging., loved Parker's video tell you boys how over staffed PHX is. You seem to be so bitter that's not good, seek help, Jurik did and it did wonders for him even with his new screen name.