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Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion
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I'm riding a purple unicorn through fields of daisys and clover, but strangely the rainbow is missing... Must be multiple failures of redundant systems.
And you in your delusion.
Especially if enough vote in favor of that happening.
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If you think this can be of any interest, please distribute…
After initially only looking at the pay rates, I switched from a “YES” to a “NO” vote…here are some of my main concerns:
1. Why are we not getting paid on Feb. 8, 2013 (or the first pay check reflecting that date), instead of this…”back pay when the POR” is signed, and could that date not be pushed into 2014? The easy answer is absolutely nobody knows. Can we trust Parker/Kirby?
2. Vacation: So we cannot bid for 2013, obviously, however why can’t we either:
a. Get paid for the 8-9 days we’re due or,
b. Carry the 8-9 days over to the years 2014-2015. Or something…anything is better than NOT getting what we deserve, but did not negotiate.
3. LOA 93…and the 3% pay increase that was supposed to start on May 01, 2010.
a. Since we’re not getting our money upfront in this MOU (unlike the APA pilots), what is the likelihood that Parker/Kirby will use that back pay as a hostage for…hmmm…the Nic??? Maybe farfetched…but so is the fact that we’re not getting paid the 3% from LOA 93. Can we trust Parker/Kirby?
4. Pay rates: This is in fact the Kirby proposal from 5-6 years ago, with profit sharing gone.
a. $150/hour six years ago equals $166/hour in 2012. The 2013-2015 pay rates are not even close to industry standard. The USAPA pilots are not getting any equity (stock) in the NewAMR, even though we bring a very profitable company to the table. (For comparison UAL pay for 2013 is $188.97/hour, Delta’s pay for 2013 is $208.06, both for the A320).
5. Vague language galore…lack of protections etc. etc... The list is just too long.
Stein Haerum
A330 F/O PHL
After initially only looking at the pay rates, I switched from a “YES” to a “NO” vote…here are some of my main concerns:
1. Why are we not getting paid on Feb. 8, 2013 (or the first pay check reflecting that date), instead of this…”back pay when the POR” is signed, and could that date not be pushed into 2014? The easy answer is absolutely nobody knows. Can we trust Parker/Kirby?
2. Vacation: So we cannot bid for 2013, obviously, however why can’t we either:
a. Get paid for the 8-9 days we’re due or,
b. Carry the 8-9 days over to the years 2014-2015. Or something…anything is better than NOT getting what we deserve, but did not negotiate.
3. LOA 93…and the 3% pay increase that was supposed to start on May 01, 2010.
a. Since we’re not getting our money upfront in this MOU (unlike the APA pilots), what is the likelihood that Parker/Kirby will use that back pay as a hostage for…hmmm…the Nic??? Maybe farfetched…but so is the fact that we’re not getting paid the 3% from LOA 93. Can we trust Parker/Kirby?
4. Pay rates: This is in fact the Kirby proposal from 5-6 years ago, with profit sharing gone.
a. $150/hour six years ago equals $166/hour in 2012. The 2013-2015 pay rates are not even close to industry standard. The USAPA pilots are not getting any equity (stock) in the NewAMR, even though we bring a very profitable company to the table. (For comparison UAL pay for 2013 is $188.97/hour, Delta’s pay for 2013 is $208.06, both for the A320).
5. Vague language galore…lack of protections etc. etc... The list is just too long.
Stein Haerum
A330 F/O PHL
Riiight....Umm...OK then. So you're an "east" pilot who's obsessed about the nic being hopefully used? So much so that at every opportunity you champion it's supposed viability? Understood. That makes perfect sense. I got it now...Sigh! 😉
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Good letter........From what I can see in this MOU, it looks like money is the only thing the company is willing to negotiate moving forward into the future. It is quite clear, from their draw down on benefits; they are expecting the individual pilots to begin taking responsibility for what is left of everything else: retirement, medical, life insurance, sick, vacation etc.
In today’s Corporate and World Capitalism, the humanitarian understanding of labor is being stripped away contract by contract. Your soul and being is going to belong to the company to which they show only a willingness to throw money; money that management knows can also be easily taken away. The company will define everything else, working conditions, living standards, scope, etc.
Unfortunately, humanity and self-direction or input will not, currently or in the immediate future, play a part in corporate airline America. Except for money, working as an airline pilot today is as good as it is ever going to get. From the B Scale on, the pilots, out of fear, never learned to say no, and I believe they have allowed themselves pass beyond the event horizon from which there is no longer any escape. They have been sucked into the black hole and are moving toward the point of singularity where self-determination will have given way to corporate management’s decisions, threats and power. No one working only for the big corporation can escape the result of management’s singularity of perspective. The pilots moving into the future that learn to recognize what the future holds and are willing to individually take steps to protect themselves in every way will be the only ones for which the future will remain bright. Those that expect the company, the union, the government, or any other organization to insure, indemnify or underwrite their futures will be in serious trouble. The future corporate game plan is quite clear. The question that remains for the pilots is; are they going to keep their heads buried in the sand thinking they will return to the good old days? Alternatively, are they going to accept and adjust to the new game, their union's leaders have structured over the past 20 years, and begin individually preparing a new strategy and game plan for their own prosperous future?
Today’s capitalism, having been stripped of any humanitarian spirit, requires levels of self-reliance from every individual that was not taught or developed in the recent past. Corporate America, as was familiar in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, is quickly relinquishing any responsibility to the human spirit within their labor force. Humanity, it appears, only exists within executive offices and the upper ranks of management. They have proclaimed themselves the 21st century royalty and granted themselves all the benefits, bonuses, and comforts associated with the socialistic status of that royalty. Not even dethroning them takes away those lifetime socialistic rewards and benefits. Like the old racing stallions or mares, they will spend the remainder of their lives in the pastures of socialistic opulence and physical comfort. That same capitalism, in which they live their lives in comfort, proclaims just the opposite for the labor force over whom they are the Overlords. As in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, a standard of living level just
above daily necessities is all that corporate America deems necessary, adequate, and more than generous. If you want more you are going to have to earn it outside your profession or job. Judging whether it is good or bad will depend on each individual’s perspective and his or her personal ambition!
Lastly, it is common knowledge in today’s corporate world that the best negotiators are those that have the ability to just say NO and walk away from the immediate deal sitting on the table in front of them. The pilot group without question holds the better hand in this negotiation. The question is, will they once again let fear control their decision, or will they play their hand using the skills that should have been learned and honed over the past eight years? There is a better deal there! My advice, with the hand we hold, is to go after it! The pay rates are there, the question should be; why is everything else being negotiated away? We should not ever accept being treated as un-equals to any group to which US Airways might merge our group! It is time for the US Airway’s management to begin learning how to bridge the differences that might exist and not exploit them like they have over the last eight years. The foundations they construct on those bridges will determine the success or fail of the merger and the future of the corporation. The US Airways pilot group, because of fear, have allowed themselves to be exploited over the last 20 years, are you going to once again allow the union to throw in the winning hand that we now hold. I voted NO, please have the courage to join me in sending Doug Parker a clear and united message!! There's a better deal in Doug's pocket, lets go after it and not, once again, accept something substandard.
This will be my last input and message to the pilot group’s union members, for I will be retiring shortly. I, over the last 35 years, never voted for my own self interest. I voted only for the interest of the whole pilot group, top to bottom or, if you prefer, bottom to top. If we continue to strictly define success as only money, we will be throwing away our careers as well as our integrate and unity. The “B” scale was suppose to have solved the airlines financial wage crisis, and it did not! It only served to divide the pilot group and encourage management to continue their coveting practices in the follow on contracts. They subsequently took, retirements, money, health benefits, vacation, sick time, training pay, and than even failed to honor the agreements they signed. The pilot group sat back and did nothing. Well, this is your time to flex your power ladies and gentlemen! It is legal now to do so! I encourage you to stand together and say NO. The deception is in the smooth talk and in the unclear writings and pictures. Whether you are a democrat or republican, Ronald Regan stated it best: “Trust but Verify!” If there is no verification of guarantees, we need to ask ourselves just what we are voting for? It is your careers, only you can protect it by demanding equality, equity, and fairness. It is not an immoral or an unreasonable request.
Thanks for the memories and Fly safe!
God’s Speed to all of you!,
Capt. Harrison J. Krenitsky
AB 330 US Airways
In today’s Corporate and World Capitalism, the humanitarian understanding of labor is being stripped away contract by contract. Your soul and being is going to belong to the company to which they show only a willingness to throw money; money that management knows can also be easily taken away. The company will define everything else, working conditions, living standards, scope, etc.
Unfortunately, humanity and self-direction or input will not, currently or in the immediate future, play a part in corporate airline America. Except for money, working as an airline pilot today is as good as it is ever going to get. From the B Scale on, the pilots, out of fear, never learned to say no, and I believe they have allowed themselves pass beyond the event horizon from which there is no longer any escape. They have been sucked into the black hole and are moving toward the point of singularity where self-determination will have given way to corporate management’s decisions, threats and power. No one working only for the big corporation can escape the result of management’s singularity of perspective. The pilots moving into the future that learn to recognize what the future holds and are willing to individually take steps to protect themselves in every way will be the only ones for which the future will remain bright. Those that expect the company, the union, the government, or any other organization to insure, indemnify or underwrite their futures will be in serious trouble. The future corporate game plan is quite clear. The question that remains for the pilots is; are they going to keep their heads buried in the sand thinking they will return to the good old days? Alternatively, are they going to accept and adjust to the new game, their union's leaders have structured over the past 20 years, and begin individually preparing a new strategy and game plan for their own prosperous future?
Today’s capitalism, having been stripped of any humanitarian spirit, requires levels of self-reliance from every individual that was not taught or developed in the recent past. Corporate America, as was familiar in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, is quickly relinquishing any responsibility to the human spirit within their labor force. Humanity, it appears, only exists within executive offices and the upper ranks of management. They have proclaimed themselves the 21st century royalty and granted themselves all the benefits, bonuses, and comforts associated with the socialistic status of that royalty. Not even dethroning them takes away those lifetime socialistic rewards and benefits. Like the old racing stallions or mares, they will spend the remainder of their lives in the pastures of socialistic opulence and physical comfort. That same capitalism, in which they live their lives in comfort, proclaims just the opposite for the labor force over whom they are the Overlords. As in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, a standard of living level just
above daily necessities is all that corporate America deems necessary, adequate, and more than generous. If you want more you are going to have to earn it outside your profession or job. Judging whether it is good or bad will depend on each individual’s perspective and his or her personal ambition!
Lastly, it is common knowledge in today’s corporate world that the best negotiators are those that have the ability to just say NO and walk away from the immediate deal sitting on the table in front of them. The pilot group without question holds the better hand in this negotiation. The question is, will they once again let fear control their decision, or will they play their hand using the skills that should have been learned and honed over the past eight years? There is a better deal there! My advice, with the hand we hold, is to go after it! The pay rates are there, the question should be; why is everything else being negotiated away? We should not ever accept being treated as un-equals to any group to which US Airways might merge our group! It is time for the US Airway’s management to begin learning how to bridge the differences that might exist and not exploit them like they have over the last eight years. The foundations they construct on those bridges will determine the success or fail of the merger and the future of the corporation. The US Airways pilot group, because of fear, have allowed themselves to be exploited over the last 20 years, are you going to once again allow the union to throw in the winning hand that we now hold. I voted NO, please have the courage to join me in sending Doug Parker a clear and united message!! There's a better deal in Doug's pocket, lets go after it and not, once again, accept something substandard.
This will be my last input and message to the pilot group’s union members, for I will be retiring shortly. I, over the last 35 years, never voted for my own self interest. I voted only for the interest of the whole pilot group, top to bottom or, if you prefer, bottom to top. If we continue to strictly define success as only money, we will be throwing away our careers as well as our integrate and unity. The “B” scale was suppose to have solved the airlines financial wage crisis, and it did not! It only served to divide the pilot group and encourage management to continue their coveting practices in the follow on contracts. They subsequently took, retirements, money, health benefits, vacation, sick time, training pay, and than even failed to honor the agreements they signed. The pilot group sat back and did nothing. Well, this is your time to flex your power ladies and gentlemen! It is legal now to do so! I encourage you to stand together and say NO. The deception is in the smooth talk and in the unclear writings and pictures. Whether you are a democrat or republican, Ronald Regan stated it best: “Trust but Verify!” If there is no verification of guarantees, we need to ask ourselves just what we are voting for? It is your careers, only you can protect it by demanding equality, equity, and fairness. It is not an immoral or an unreasonable request.
Thanks for the memories and Fly safe!
God’s Speed to all of you!,
Capt. Harrison J. Krenitsky
AB 330 US Airways
You poor brave fool! Healthy unicorns are supposed to be a pure and unblemished white! Anyone should know better than to just jump onto whatever first comes along and take a purple one! Well...maybe not around here though. 😉
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Are you suggesting there was transparency under the previous USAPA leadership?
APAs will be running the show and it'll be an APA contract. It's going away regardless.
Hopefully used? Where did you get that? In questioned some of the engrained rhetoric that some are spouting about how the Nicolau is dead and not to worry about it. Dropping our guard because we have silly conjecture that we made up that makes us feel good needs to be challenged. I don't champion it's use but I question it's death. Got it now? Sigh?
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You must be a reincarnated Petain from Vichy France.
Did you know the French tanks had 8 gears in those days? Two forward and six reverse.
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That would be the point about the grievance chair. He "read" into the contract a benefit that was not there. Causing usapa to spend well over $100 thousand on a loser case. This is the same guy that is now "reading" into the MOU pitfalls and weakness.
Credibility is important and DC has proven he does not have much. So you all will forgive me if I don't go screaming into the night because of one mans opinion of the MOU and HIS ability to defend it.
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