Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nic4us]

Interesting, no mention of the NIC, imagine that!


seajay

The entire paragraph reads like the Nic.

One airline was significantly older and DOH was not fair.

One airline was higher paid and was bringing the other pilots up to their pay.

One airline was not in bankruptcy, had a much younger fleet and airplanes on order.


And looky, the uscaba attorney recognizes the fact that Nicolau got it right!

 

[cleardirect]

Pack your house up, and get ready to move then. Cause your little desert home is getting "rightsized" No doubt.

Oh well! That kind of thing happens in a merger. The west has known that from the beginning. However because the east has insisted on separate ops the west had not opportunity to capture the benefits of a merger.

If PHX shrinks so be it as long as the west has somewhere to go with equal rights to the entire airline.

If think it is you east pilots that better get it through your heads. There will be no base fences. You will not be able to sit in CLT,PHL or DCA and hide behind the wall. The west and AA will be coming and we will come with our rightful seniority.

 

[luvthe9]

Oh well! That kind of thing happens in a merger. The west has known that from the beginning. However because the east has insisted on separate ops the west had not opportunity to capture the benefits of a merger.

If PHX shrinks so be it as long as the west has somewhere to go with equal rights to the entire airline.

If think it is you east pilots that better get it through your heads. There will be no base fences. You will not be able to sit in CLT,PHL or DCA and hide behind the wall. The west and AA will be coming and we will come with our rightful seniority.

You are more than welcome to any east base with your DOH "rightful senoirity". AA,, don't count on it we will have a 5 to 7 year fence to protect their widebody flying.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Yes. I actually heard it as 4 reverse and 1 forward but the gist was the forward gears were in case the enemy attacked from the rear.
I see your full court press against this MoU is going strong Jamie. And for someone who purports himself to not care anymore you sure have kept yourself busy these past few days.

I'm always busy. But you know, if the BPR simply extended the vote close and got the company to clean up some of the language I don't believe there would much of an issue.

Just sayin.

 

[nic4us]

Got some 8 tracks you might like.

Any CCR....maybe Janis....Chicago.... I will take them....thanks!

Oh, you can keep the Sonny and Cher and Three Dog Night.

 

[fatherabraham]

Proof that around 70% of the east pilots are morons.

Ames,

Pick 7 of the next 10 you see and personally call them a moron.
I'm sure ( if any ) those junior to you will appreciate the attrition.

FA

 

[nic4us]

You are correct it is already dead.

Not as dead as uscaba if this merger goes through.

 

[fatherabraham]

Recently did some phone tree volunteer work.
Here is my random ( small ) sample results:
Phl for Diorio/Music/ Daugherty 40%
Phl against above team 20%
Undecided/not telling 40%

Unsolicited mou comments:

No- 50%
Yes-25%
Undecided -25%

FA
NO

 

[Beancounter]

Recently did some phone tree volunteer work.
Here is my random ( small ) sample results:
Phl for Diorio/Music/ Daugherty 40%
Phl against above team 20%
Undecided/not telling 40%

Unsolicited mou comments:

No- 50%
Yes-25%
Undecided -25%

FA
NO

Why vote no? In my opinion the merger will proceed with or without the east's consent. Let's say Mr. Parker can't get around the CoC clause, the merger will still proceed. Do you think he will just pay you? It will go to court and be drug out. Do you think the APA is going to fund the legal battle? You'll be paying out of your own pocket and you won't have the west's financial support, USAPA will be gone. I'm afraid you'll be sitting on LOA93 for the next 1-2 years and for what? Hopefully I'm not proven right.

Bean

 

[Walmartgreeter]

I'm always busy. But you know, if the BPR simply extended the vote close and got the company to clean up some of the language I don't believe there would much of an issue.

Just sayin.

As of right now I don't see that can happen. They cannot call a "voting" meeting sooner than the close of the vote. Recalling or extending the vote, after the vote....yikes! Greeter

 

[Walmartgreeter]

And from a good friend, full of lies and innuendo……..

"There is absolutely no doubt that a most important priority is to arrive as an equal at the POR. The position on the playing field when the game starts Is absolutely crucial to long term success. This is where our change of control has been used as it was intended to be used...not just for a select group of East pilots, but rather for ALL US Airways Pilots to arrive as equals with the APA. Change of Control after the POR is just another lop sided argument that if won will not take the entire membership over the goal line. We must aggressively take every possible opportunity to even the playing field while the clock ticks. NOW"

Greeter

 

[Zone5]

I kind of get the "feeling" that some of the no vote sentiment has somehow become an almost subconscious effort to "stick it" to Doug Parker by "raining" on his parade.

If anyone is "harboring" such thoughts, I hope you realize that if the MOU were in fact voted down, "Team Tempe" would be "high-fiving" that news, big time! Think about it, they try to do the "right thing" and gosh darn it, those pilots refuse to take the money, oh well, I guess we have to just "soldier on" without them!

This merger is going to happen, with or without us. Would management prefer to have everybody "on-board"? Yes, I think so. Do they really NEED us on-board? I think not.

If they have to drag us "kicking and screaming" along, they will and it won't hurt them as much as it will us. Just ask the unsecured creditors how they feel about paying the LCC pilots a lot less over the next few years, while this thing is being put together, without our input!


seajay

 

[algflyr]

Why not delay the vote until some things are clarified??? Here is a recent letter written to the BPR and NAC:


Gentlemen,

Paragraph 18.b of the MOU clearly states that the MOU ratification date by USAPA pilots CANNOT be before the AMR Board of Directors APPROVE the Merger. To my knowledge, that has not occurred yet... Here is the language from the end of paragraph 18.b:

...the ratification vote of USAPA's membership shall be completed no earlier than approval of the Merger by AMR Corporation's Board of Directors and no later than 60 days after such approval (if any).


The paragraph also states that the USAPA ratification vote must be done no later than 60 days AFTER the AMR BOD approval. Evidently there is no great rush since the AMR BOD has yet to approve the merger... We will still have two months AFTER the BOD approval to vote. Let's get good information to vote upon...

After reviewing the Q and A section, I realize Captain Hummel received a letter clarifying that an early ratification wouldn't change the terms of the MOU, But why the big rush? I think the vote should be delayed in the light of wrong information being presented to the membership during the roadshows and the Grievance committees concerns being withheld from our pilots...


In the Paragraph 18.b letter to Capt. Hummel, it said all other parts of para. 18.b are still in effect. Thus, we have until 60 days AFTER the AMR BOD merger approval to vote on this. There is no rush to ratify this now! We have a minimum of TWO MORE MONTHS!! Please allow for the postponement of this vote...

 

[Freighterguynow]

Guess what. You east pilots fu%^& that up and can't be trusted.

From now on contracts will be done first then seniority.

We had a seniority solution but you did not like it and walked away. Now we can never get to a contract.

So cooler heads have removed your ability to delay and damage mergers.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Membership ratification.