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Voting With the West

I am sure that you have heard the accusations about me voting with the West. This opinion is promoted by Bill Glynn, a CLT based pilot whom I have never met. When I don’t vote the same as his CLT Representatives and, if the PHX Representatives vote the same way I do (by the way they vote after PHL), he always makes a point of bringing it to everyone’s attention. This is especially true if the CLT Reps. are not satisfied with a particular vote. It truly makes no difference what the issue is; it is the fact that I don’t fall in line with their thinking. It is not uncommon to have several pilots call me after reading the ”Glynn Spin” and after discussing the issue, they agree with me and my vote.

Just to review, we had an election for the USAPA Officers last Spring and Bill McKee, CLT, has never quite understood that Gary Hummel won. As a result the CLT line of thinking has been to go against President Hummel on just about everything he has tried to do. Since the new Officers have taken office, no windows have been broken, no computers have been reported stolen from the office (the security tapes showed no one stealing a computer), and no one has had their email spoofed to send an email to our Attorneys. The fact is the Union is running like a business and we have four Officers that are working together to help facilitate this. By the way, the new USAPA headquarters is working out just fine and the BPR members enjoy easy transportation to and from the airport and the close proximity of hotels and restaurants to the office when we are in session. This Summer we have been in session a lot and the efficiency of the location has helped us do our work.

So as far as Bill Glynn saying I vote with the West, we ALL have on occasion. I have witnessed CLT vote with the West, DCA vote with the West and all of PHL vote with the West. There is one understandable area of disagreement with the West Pilots and on that issue we will continue to disagree. Glynn also spreads the rumor that Gary Hummel negotiated the MOU with Parker. This is an insult to the NAC and our Professional Negotiator who put in countless hours on our behalf in negotiating the MOU. Mr. Glynn practices politics of division and I rate his credibility right in line with those that support the theory that the U.S. Government took down the Twin Towers on 9/11.

Beware of those that are campaigning in this election with the support of Bill Glynn. He is not in support of pilot unity. He is a promoter of political infighting and the internal strife that have been completely counterproductive to our cause.

Fly on the Wall

Perhaps you have seen or heard about the email that has been circulating by a “Fly on the Wall”, or saw the Ted Reed article on how the BPR arrived at a unanimous vote in support of the MOU. Well before we give the CLT Representatives and two PHL Representatives too much credit, let’s look at the part of the story that was untold. On the night of January 2, after the first day of the meeting in which the MOU was passed, several East Representatives were talking and it was brought up by Pete Dugstead, DCA, that perhaps we could create leverage that we could trade with the UCC that they could use with AMR if we would provide a unanimous vote. Steve Crimi, CLT, said there was no way he was voting for the MOU. When asked for a reason why, he said that unless the minimum block protections were improved he would not support it. Paul DiOrio, who worked on the minimum block protections told him that there was no way the Company would agree to further improvements. So we left that night with no way to create additional leverage to be traded for improvements.

The next day, after the threat (they were threatening you not me) of using a roll call vote to block you from having a chance to vote, Steve conceded and agreed to provide a unanimous vote. He was told that if he wanted to get something he was going to have to give something in return. He did the right thing in the end but there is no way that five guys got the improvement on their own or even had the original idea of trading the unanimous vote for an improvement. Pat Szymanski drove it home to them that as mentioned the night before by Pete, it was going to take something to get something. The rest of us were willing to discuss it 24 hours earlier and were flatly rejected. Maybe we could have come up with more had they worked with us.

By the way, all of what I mentioned above happened outside of closed session except for what has already been released by others to Ted Reed and of course the Fly.

Seniority Aided by the MOU

It is O.K. to dream. Some among us are dreaming of a day when after the pilots reject the MOU the Company comes back to offer us a better deal or sweetens the pot. I hope that their dream comes true if the MOU is in fact rejected by the Pilot Group.

On the other hand, if it is rejected and they don’t come back, we will have to wait and see what the merger consist of and whether we feel COC is triggered. If we feel it is, we will pursue it through every avenue available to us.

The problem occurs when it drags on and we find ourselves not having a decision on COC and whether we get the snap back wages and we are involved in seniority integration. At that point, your dream could quickly turn into a nightmare that many seem to be discounting. It is this nightmare scenario that our Merger Counsel, Pat Szymanski warns us about.

With the MOU in place, we will all enter the McCaskill-Bond process on a level playing field considering compensation. If, instead we are still on LOA 93 wages, APA will put forward the argument that our career expectations are diminished due to our wages and that they are responsible for bringing our wages up to their level and therefore deserve higher placement on the combined seniority list.

To see how this could play out let’s compare our wages with the MOU 2014 rates that will be applicable to APA. Their 12 year Group 2 Captains will make $181 and F/O’s $123. Their year eight Group 4 F/O’s will make $145. From these rates it can be shown that all of their Group 2 Captains make more than any of our Captains. Our Group 3 Captains make roughly what an eight year Group 4 F/O makes at APA. Our Group 2 Captains make slightly more than a Group 2 F/O at APA.

I would look for the APA starting position based on career expectations to be a list that starts with all of their Captains followed by our Wide Body Captains integrated with their Wide Body F/O’s. Then our Group 2 Captains and their Group 2 F/O’s with all of our Group 2 F/O’s bringing up the rear.

In short, if we turn down the MOU and are not successful in winning the COC argument in a timely fashion it could spell “career over” for many of us. The dream has the potential to become a nightmare under this scenario.

The time to vote in this election and on the MOU is running out. Don’t take for granted that others will the job for you. Remember, if you have already voted you can change your vote right up until the polls close. If you choose to elect me as your Chairman, I will continue to represent you and your interests using common sense, logic and sound reasoning in decisions going forward in this process and others. I appreciate your support in this election and ask for your vote for PHL Chairman. If you have your VIN and PIN, to cast your ballot now, go tohttps://www.BallotPoint.com/USAPA or by phone 800-826-5530. For further reading I urge you to go to http://jamieweidner.com

Respectfully,

Jamie A. Weidner




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There are Republicans and Democrats. There is East and West.

Then there are "independents". The only thing that differentiates the "independents" is they take a stand on nothing and the only way you can get an idea of how they represent their constituency is through their voting record.

In Jamie's case I find his voting interests lie more in pleasing the "leadership" than pleasing the constituency who voted him in in the first place: PHL pilots.

I really like Jamie, he was in my new hire class and he really is a good guy. His political leanings, however, seem to forget who put him in office in the first place.

I voted for Hummel personally because I thought that whether Steve or I got voted in, our membership through our BPR reps would rule the roost and the leadership would perform.

Boy, was I wrong. The CLT reps are in place and I hope the PHL pilots vote in DiOreo, Music and Daughtry. I know them all and I have no doubt those three will bring the sanity back into USAPA.

That's when I'll be submitting my name back into membership. I fully expect to get a 6-5 approval for membership.
 
Says the guy who quite the union he helped create.

Did you try threatening Gary?

Maybe it would have worked on him.
I quit the union as a protest AGAINST Gary and Steve.

The after the vote closes in PHL today, and if who think will win wins, I'm faxing my application for membership to USAPA and I fully expect to get a 6-5 approval from the BPR.

I consider it a badge of honor to be voted in by these 6 reps.
 
The rest of the story. Gary went above the BPR fall of 2011 and put out an email that went totally against the intent of confidentiality with his so called and self described bombshell about the legal and personal issues with Seham's law firm. I understand Gary felt left out just like Ciabattoni did when he was EVP. However, as I said previously, the EVP position should have never been put in.

In short, I was there for this HUGE discourse in policy but Cleary was attempting to resolve this issue at the USAPA office doors, not in a public forum. Gary is NOT a team player.

Of course, it seems like in this day and age nobody is a team player.

After it was settled did Cleary actually refuse to sign the new lease?
 
The after the vote closes in PHL today, and if who think will win wins, I'm faxing my application for membership to USAPA and I fully expect to get a 6-5 approval from the BPR.

Wallmartgreeter said it..........

"The only vote that matters closes on Friday."
 
I quit the union as a protest AGAINST Gary and Steve.

The after the vote closes in PHL today, and if who think will win wins, I'm faxing my application for membership to USAPA and I fully expect to get a 6-5 approval from the BPR.

I consider it a badge of honor to be voted in by these 6 reps.

Aren't some of those the very ones that stuck it to you during the election?
 
After it was settled did Cleary actually refuse to sign the new lease?
It wasn't about the lease issue. It was about the law firm/Streble,Mowrey/ lawyer office conflict of interest issue.

Should have been handled in closed session in the BPR. Oh well.
 
Aren't some of those the very ones that stuck it to you during the election?
If you're referring to Bill, certainly he is many things to many people. Unfortunately some people, including Cleary, failed to grasp the situation of the power of a name. Bradford had it in spades and Dopp didn't. That name power bled over to Hummel.

They should have called Matalin/Carville. They would have told them to read politics 101.

That doesn't mean I naive enough to punish Bill. In fact, I have always felt Bill was the "Tip O'Neill" of the BPR. He carries more clout as BPR rep than President.

The recall vote yesterday confirms it.
 
Wallmartgreeter said it..........

"The only vote that matters closes on Friday."
Maybe. Maybe NOT. MOU is not necessarily a contract. In fact, it is only a path to an MTA then a JCBA. The real question is just exactly WHAT is required of the APA and the "new" American.
 
With the MOU in place, we will all enter the McCaskill-Bond process on a level playing field considering compensation. If, instead we are still on LOA 93 wages, APA will put forward the argument that our career expectations are diminished due to our wages and that they are responsible for bringing our wages up to their level and therefore deserve higher placement on the combined seniority list.

Wait a minute... I thought the gold standard was going to be used with the APA? Why all this talk of "career expectations" and comparable compensation??? Blasphemy!!

Oh wait- DOH is only a cram down attempt against the west. Got it!
 
Now that is simply not true Gary is a team player, just not on the pilots team.
Think this about cover your comment.

Just to review, we had an election for the USAPA Officers last Spring and Bill McKee, CLT, has never quite understood that Gary Hummel won. As a result the CLT line of thinking has been to go against President Hummel on just about everything he has tried to do.

You mean Hummel is not on your team. Because McKee and the CLT reps have made it very clear that if you disagree with them you are wrong and not on their team. According to CLT unless you are their team your are not really a pilot but just a management lackey and CLT reps are the only ones tough enough to stand and fight.

Disagreement will not be allowed and attacks shall continue until all relent to their will.
 
There are Republicans and Democrats. There is East and West.

Then there are "independents". The only thing that differentiates the "independents" is they take a stand on nothing and the only way you can get an idea of how they represent their constituency is through their voting record.

In Jamie's case I find his voting interests lie more in pleasing the "leadership" than pleasing the constituency who voted him in in the first place: PHL pilots.

I really like Jamie, he was in my new hire class and he really is a good guy. His political leanings, however, seem to forget who put him in office in the first place.

I voted for Hummel personally because I thought that whether Steve or I got voted in, our membership through our BPR reps would rule the roost and the leadership would perform.

Boy, was I wrong. The CLT reps are in place and I hope the PHL pilots vote in DiOreo, Music and Daughtry. I know them all and I have no doubt those three will bring the sanity back into USAPA.

That's when I'll be submitting my name back into membership. I fully expect to get a 6-5 approval for membership.

Sanity? Are you kidding those 6 will be even more radical then what we have now.

If you enjoyed the last 5 years you are really going to enjoy what happens as the USS usapa sinks very soon. With those 6 on the BPR usapa will be relegated to the kids table in the other room.

After 8 years of watching you guys make the wrong choice every time I fully expect the radical ticket to win and further the damage.There is no fixing stupid. You east pilots truly are your own worst enemy.
 
Bradford and Streble's name should be added to the recall of Hummel

Do it. Stop talking about it and do it.

But then again when I used the same defense you used about not changing horses during a critical time you said it would only be one. But as usual you have no honor and can't be trusted to keep your word. Nothing but a liar.
 
It wasn't about the lease issue. It was about the law firm/Streble,Mowrey/ lawyer office conflict of interest issue.

Should have been handled in closed session in the BPR. Oh well.

CLOSED SESSION!

Never!!!! I thought that usapa was transparent and there should never have a closed session. Wasn't that what some you brothers were saying about the MOU discussion?

You guys must eat at the waffle house everyday.
 
.... a bunch of cowards and bitches whining about more time and more information. ....... you pu$$ies

Stop it! Time to man up ....

Time to grow a pair .....

Gasp! Please be gentle here! Not all of us can even imagine ourselves to be mighty "spartans", much less "knights" who've "fought with valor" in "war"! Some, due to tragic genetic normalities, were born with at least a modest number of functioning brain cells. Please show those of us thusly limited a small bit of sympathy and understanding,...umm...and in the very name of deceny...I beg of you not to sic your dreaded "dire wolves" on me! 🙂

Any that would be "whining about more time and more information." must, without any possible question, be the very lowest sorts of "cowards and bitches". We all know that Real Men prefer to vote without even the slightest whole clue of what they're actually voting for! 😉

Your amazing "logic" has convinced me. I now say that we all rush blindly into this and just hope for the best! Why fret over being placed under some absurdly contrived and wholly artificial deadline? For that matter...Why ask ANY more questions or even dare THINK at all? Let's just do it and hope, purely HOPE for the best here! 😉 What could ever even possibly go wrong when using a strategy like that?.....?
 
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