Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[mrbreeze]

[quote name='cleardirect' timestamp='1360383361' post='975313]'
Just shows your lack of understanding what is meant by seniority. If Us airways had liquidated and you all were looking for a job. You can take all that experience and flight hours and start over a that flea bag outfit. Any idea how much seniority you would have on day one at the flea bag outfit where you just started over?

US airways was never the best at anything except maybe self destruction and in fighting.

What was AWA ever the best at? Oh I don't know a little detail like not crashing airplanes and killing PAX. How much experience does that take?[/quote]
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1....BIG "if"

2....we did get picked up by a flea bag operation.....what's your point?

breeze

 

[nycbusdriver]

Now with the MOU behind us we will see you in court.

Yawn.

Smart has nothing to do with anything. They're out for blood and McKee wants to be president very badly. They've been empowered by this recall result and they'll use it, along with PHL to go after Hummel.

If the runoff in PHL goes DiOrio's way, there will be little reason to recall Hummel. The CLT/PHL reps will be an effective roadblock (not that I support their point of view.) What we might actually see is the union actually having the BPR exercising effective oversight of the national officers (as was originally intended.)

If the CLT/PHL reps end up with their 6-vote block, watch for many, many Special Meetings being called to keep Hummel in check. The USAPA President office was set up, IMHO, to be a "weak president" type of position, and not one of imperial authority as we have seen the last few years.

 

[Pi brat]

You truly have NO class whatsoever. You and whoever high fived your post.

Clear has never had class, but he seems to be madder every day. I wonder why?

 

[Phoenix]

Clear has never had class, but he seems to be madder every day. I wonder why?

Furloughees medical insurance money was just converted to support merger related expenses.

 

[Piedmont1984]

Yawn.



If the runoff in PHL goes DiOrio's way, there will be little reason to recall Hummel. The CLT/PHL reps will be an effective roadblock (not that I support their point of view.) What we might actually see is the union actually having the BPR exercising effective oversight of the national officers (as was originally intended.)

If the CLT/PHL reps end up with their 6-vote block, watch for many, many Special Meetings being called to keep Hummel in check. The USAPA President office was set up, IMHO, to be a "weak president" type of position, and not one of imperial authority as we have seen the last few years.

I agree with the oversight function of the BPR. But the anti Hummel block of BPR reps need to pay attention to the membership as well. The MOU vote clearly shows that the anti Hummel block remains in the minority. I see no sense in trying to recall any of the leadership, since those positions will dissappear if and when we become APA. OTOH, domicile reps are here to stay.

 

[electricjet98]

I agree with the oversight function of the BPR. But the anti Hummel block of BPR reps need to pay attention to the membership as well. The MOU vote clearly shows that the anti Hummel block remains in the minority. I see no sense in trying to recall any of the leadership, since those positions will dissappear if and when we become APA. OTOH, domicile reps are here to stay.

Basically true, but once east & west are combined the "flavor" of each domicile is subject to change.

EJ

 

[nycbusdriver]

The MOU vote clearly shows that the anti Hummel block remains in the minority.

Hmmm. There were three ballots which closed this past week.

Did you happen to notice the results of the two OTHER than the MOU?

I wouldn't be so secure in the thought that what you term the "anti Hummel" group are necessarily in the minority.

The "anti-imperial-presidency" group is definitely in the majority. The MOU vote was a result of far more factors than whether of not one supported Hummel. The PHX pilots voted overwhelmingly in favor of the MOU, but I can see no inference that this translates to overwhelming support for Hummel.

 

[Freighterguynow]

AOL recommended a yes vote, the west listened. What's wrong with that? Why would you take "incoming" for saying this? Perhaps because the west has accomplished something the east never will: unity.

Now with the MOU behind us we will see you in court.
Have a great weekend.

Will do.

Seems to me it'll be another 4 years to ripeness then the average DFR takes 12 more years beyond that.

Wake was dismissed. Don't you get it? Not reversed and remanded - dismissed.

Less than 2 % of all federal cases are dismissed outright with the ninth being even more liberal with what they'll allow judges to do.

Wake did you no favors by getting you on the docket in 6 months. You think it'll come together a second time. That's fine , you get your jolleys however.

16 years before Fergison finally has an epic fail. Count on it.

 

[cleardirect]

Clear has never had class, but he seems to be madder every day. I wonder why?

No not mad. Just not going to let slide ignorant and untrue statements like jonhny kat made.

East pilots make all kinds of demeaning statements towards the west and then get upset when we return fire. Grow thicker skin or stop the attacks. But I am not going to accept statements like the west is inexperienced without reply.

Nothing I said was untrue. Unlike kats comment.

 

[cleardirect]

Will do.

Seems to me it'll be another 4 years to ripeness then the average DFR takes 12 more years beyond that.

Wake got dismissed. Don't you get it? Not reversed and remanded - dismissed.

Less than 2 % of all federal cases are dismissed outright with the ninth being even more liberal with what they'll allow judges to do.

Wake did you no favors by getting you on the docket in 6 months. You think it'll come together a second time. That's fine , you get your jolleys however.

16 years before Fergison finally has an epic fail. Count on it.

In the mean time you think we will live with a DOH list or just separate ops for the next 16 years?

No need for court if the arbitrator or APA (to avoid liability) decides to use the Nicolau instead of 2 lists or an invented DOH usapa list.

 

[Metroyet]

Will do.

Seems to me it'll be another 4 years to ripeness then the average DFR takes 12 more years beyond that.

Wake got dismissed. Don't you get it? Not reversed and remanded - dismissed.

Less than 2 % of all federal cases are dismissed outright with the ninth being even more liberal with what they'll allow judges to do.

Wake did you no favors by getting you on the docket in 6 months. You think it'll come together a second time. That's fine , you get your jolleys however.

16 years before Fergison finally has an epic fail. Count on it.

In case it slipped your attention. 75% of the pilot group has just ratified a JCBA. Did you ever stop and wonder why this MOU is just an MOU for the APA and a JCBA for the US Air pilots? Curiious isn't it? The MOU can say whatever it wants about seniority integration. Whether or not any part of that will survive Judicial review is an entirely different matter. See, the MOU provisions are really more akin to "a proposal" until properly vetted in a Court. Did you catch the provision that basically says that if any part of this MOU is found to be illegal then that section will simply be ignored to the satisfaction of the law and the rest remains unchanged? I wonder which part the company lawyers had in mind when they threw that in there? What was it the Company lawyers argued in front of Silver regarding their obligation to the nic? The MOU changes this?

I really doubt the POR approval is going to be 16 years away. You're fake union is going to court sans ripeness issue in the very short order if this merger goes through. Thank you Yes voters!!!

 

[nycbusdriver]

In the mean time you think we will live with a DOH list or just separate ops for the next 16 years?

No need for court if the arbitrator or APA (to avoid liability) decides to use the Nicolau instead of 2 lists or an invented DOH usapa list.

I don't know what kind of list we will live with. What I do know is that the east pilots will endure your courtroom nonsense with big pay raises and improvements in working conditions. And we won't have to listen to your drivel about LOA 93 anymore.

While a federal court may indeed give AOL injunctive relief on the seniority and keep in on hold for umpteen years, the court may very well allow whatever status quo the APA/USAPA SLI provides while you battle it out in court.

Many years (and many,many dollars) later, you may very well prevail and get the list redone. The company will cry foul and ask that there be no flush, and the court will grant it. By the time your longed-for victory (if any) takes full effect, I will be long gone into retirement as will a huge amount of my east and AA colleagues.

A very expensive, drawn out pyrrhic victory. Congratulations, maybe.

 

[Freighterguynow]

You fly 24% of your block hours on East routes but just voted to give up your minimum block hours protection in the old an now defunct TA .

Voted overwhelmingly I might add.

You have some more immediate concerns than your AOL Hail Mary .

I still laugh that you were stupid enough to name your selves and a group that not only lost that battle. - they were wiped out of existence. Exterminated.

Golly, history really does repeat itself.

 

[dca319]

Will do.

Seems to me it'll be another 4 years to ripeness then the average DFR takes 12 more years beyond that.

Wake was dismissed. Don't you get it? Not reversed and remanded - dismissed.

Less than 2 % of all federal cases are dismissed outright with the ninth being even more liberal with what they'll allow judges to do.

Wake did you no favors by getting you on the docket in 6 months. You think it'll come together a second time. That's fine , you get your jolleys however.

16 years before Fergison finally has an epic fail. Count on it.

We'll know before the year is out. I don't know where you get 4 years from but their ripeness is going to come in a matter of months, not years.

 

[dca319]

I don't know what kind of list we will live with. What I do know is that the east pilots will endure your courtroom nonsense with big pay raises and improvements in working conditions. And we won't have to listen to your drivel about LOA 93 anymore.

While a federal court may indeed give AOL injunctive relief on the seniority and keep in on hold for umpteen years, the court may very well allow whatever status quo the APA/USAPA SLI provides while you battle it out in court.

Many years (and many,many dollars) later, you may very well prevail and get the list redone. The company will cry foul and ask that there be no flush, and the court will grant it. By the time your longed-for victory (if any) takes full effect, I will be long gone into retirement as will a huge amount of my east and AA colleagues.

A very expensive, drawn out pyrrhic victory. Congratulations, maybe.

I don't think this is going to see the inside of a courtroom.