Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[EastUS1]

Expect a video and brochure explaining it all to us slow learners, very soon.

No doubt, but I'm first holding out for one with "Karl Marx and the Revolutionary Red Guard" starring, while explaining their amusing little notions on the subject of entirely unearned, but yet, magically "deserved" pension "equality"...especially the part where those with the PBGC become second-class "Komrades" 😉

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" George Orwell....or was it the genius-level west reps? 😉

Really though, throughout all of this....the only thing they've not yet explained is how they're going to force the American pilots to take on the Kacktus call-sign. I'm certain, as with the nic, that there's an equally valid plan for that, after the "conquest" takes place. 🙂

 

[cleardirect]

Well...While I don't believe that they have anything approaching a winning case at this point; I'd agree that the poster's observation is worth bearing in mind. It's a shame none out west appear to do so.....Must be the peyote ceremonies methinks. Metro: "Also, bear in mind that the TWA pilots were awarded a decision Against ALPA 13 years after the fact."
Let's note that one again, for any truly challenged readers that may be present = "....13 years after the fact."

So you are saying that it is OK to take someones rights? That forcing a group to wait 13 years makes the actions OK.

 

[EastUS1]

So you are saying that it is OK to take someones rights? That forcing a group to wait 13 years makes the actions OK.

Only the most utterly naive ever imagine lightning-like progress through the legal system. If you're unhappy with that fact...take it up with the legal system. Meanwhile, if all you've got is the standard self-"righteous" BS to offer up against actual reality, well have fun with that, if such gets you through your day any better.

 

[cleardirect]

You are wrong. The company needs the US Airways pilots, or no merger. The offer will be AMR pilot minimum. with a retro incentive. Since the west was given a retirement DC plan, plus profit sharing, this will be taken out of the west's retro share, since they refused to back the east pay parity. Best of luck to you.

Wrong and wrong.

The company does not need usapa for anything. If usapa does not play nice with other Parker will simple wait until the APA is the bargaining agent and deal with them.

The west had a DC before the east came along.

Profit sharing. Thanks what did your reps get for you during that negotiation?

Retro! Right. a signing bonus of some sort maybe. Equally divided. Look at the MOU.

Why does the west have to back pay parity? The east has had the majority for the last 5 years. Why hasn't usapa gotten you pay parity? Parker told you how to get parity. With a new contract. Accept Nicolau and get parity. So it has been the east that have screwed your selves.

 

[EastUS1]

Look at the MOU.

Huh? Might as well look at the nic, since neither bit of paperwork is at all controlling anything in the real world. Neither the proposed MOU nor the nic are in effect anywhere....just proposals.

 

[cleardirect]

See the west pilots were given by the East pilots a 10 percent defined contribution amount. They were also given profit sharing. Average west DNC amount 142,000 x 10 = 14,200 a year. 4000 per year profit sharing. 142000 wages minus 124 wages equal 18,000 per year.

Because the East lost per year from the west, because the west reneged on parity support, the east deserves most of the retro pay out.

This has no chance of an argument point from the west pilots, East will be made whole. Best of luck to you.

Are you kidding me an east pilot talking about reneging.

One time the west talked about pay parity. that was after the east reneged on the Nicolau and walked out of joint contract talks to take your ball and demand seperate ops.

Why didn't you get pay parity from day one when you were negotiating the T/A? The west supported pay parity right up until the time your reneging east pilots walked out.

The only hole the east is going to see is the one you dug for yourselves.

 

[cleardirect]

Had a couple of AMR pilots on to MIA today, they also hear on their end that the merge should be pretty soon, so I had to ask their thoughts on the seniority issue they were fine with DOH and a 5 to 7 yr fence, one had 29 yrs in and the other 20. Then asked if they were familar with the NIC and what they thought of it, needless to say it won't be used.

Here we go again. Luv saying he heard.

We all know what that means by now.

 

[cleardirect]

Oh, you are slipping. Indeed "reasonable" is the standard, "wide range of resaonablness" to be more accurate. Well actually to be accurate it doesn't mean squat in Dallas. Piot seniority cooperation will undoubtedly fall well withing the range.

Ok wide range of reasonableness.

Is it reasonable to advance every east pilot at the expense of every west pilots?

Using the reasonable man standard. I doubt any reasonable person would consider that action reasonable.

 

[EastUS1]

that was after the east reneged on the Nicolau and walked out of joint contract talks to take your ball and demand seperate ops.

A fine thing indeed that your brain trust was able to counter that seperate ops thing. You guys sure showed us there! 🙂

 

[EastUS1]

Is it reasonable to advance every east pilot at the expense of every west pilots?

Was it "reasonable" for your reps to suggest a resolution advancing every west pilot's pension over the east pilots with the PBGC, at the expense of the latter? Would you care to first explain that BS? Let's see now; the only ones with a PBGC account are east pilots, but it's "reasonable" to discriminate against them....isn't it? If not; best call your harebrained reps immediately!!! 😉

Your noble band of "knights" hasn't the slightest problem with discrimination "...at the expense of..." a given group...just so long as it's not yours. Your fine and "integrity"-laden reps just proved that.

"Somehow it seemed as though the farm had grown richer without making the animals themselves any richer— except, of course, for the pigs and the dogs." Mr. Orwell again.

 

[cleardirect]

Was it "reasonable" for your reps to suggest a resolution advancing every west pilot's pension over the east pilots with the PBGC, at the expense of the latter? Would you care to first explain that BS? Let's see now; the only ones with a PBGC account are east pilots, but it's "reasonable" to discriminate against them....isn't it? If not; best call your harebrained reps immediately!!! 😉

Your noble band of "knights" hasn't the slightest problem with discrimination "...at the expense of..." a given group...just so long as it's not yours. Your fine and "integrity"-laden reps just proved that.

"Somehow it seemed as though the farm had grown richer without making the animals themselves any richer— except, of course, for the pigs and the dogs." Mr. Orwell again.

I have explained this. I should have known better than to think you would understand and not go whining like a little girl.

Make up whatever little story you want to try and justify your rants.

One more time for the slow ones. This was for ALL US Airways pilots, not just west pilots. Any east pilots hired after March 1998 does not have PBGC money. The resolution would have included them too.

 

[EastUS1]

The resolution would have included them too.

And those with PBGC money would've been given a reduced amount than would all of your fine people, thus discriminating against those east pilots with PBGC accounts. TRUE or FALSE? Yeah =TRUE. So..it IS ok to discriminate against those with the PBGC accounts? All you're feebly now attempting is a pathetic tap-dance around the demonstrated west intentions there. Spare us all any more of your lying BS komrade. If you people are simply too stupid to not have considered or perhaps even seen it for the discriminatory fantasy it was, then none of you've the slightest business putting forth any resolutions...or even walking upright while chewing gum. The only other option is that your true colors shown through clearly there, and you now wish they hadn't.

There's no sense getting angry at others son. It's not our job to try and "fix stupid" 😉

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

When "THE REAL MONEY SHOWS UP", as I have said all along!, evidence by today, secured creditors in charge, DUI will be irrelevant, PHX "toast" and a takeover of USAIRWAYS, will be AA calling the shots and not makeing the same mistakes they made in the "TWA PURCHASE", AWA is sold avoiding all litigation and inableing AA to capture the synergies! MM! So much for a list!

 

[Claxon]

So you are saying that it is OK to take someones rights? That forcing a group to wait 13 years makes the actions OK.

You are an ignorant person, in regards to legal matters and the time it takes. Your con bono lawyers will explain this to you.

 

[Claxon]

Only the most utterly naive ever imagine lightning-like progress through the legal system. If you're unhappy with that fact...take it up with the legal system. Meanwhile, if all you've got is the standard self-"righteous" BS to offer up against actual reality, well have fun with that, if such gets you through your day any better.

Do you surmise that he is not aware his parents can legally kick him out of the basement, fanny pack and all.