Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Phoenix]

Your definition... We will revisit this statement in a few months (should be worth quite a laugh).

So then can we mark you down as being uncooperative in addition to seeking PBGC confiscation and redistribution?

 

[cactusboy53]

Pilot seniority cooperation means integrating three lists.

USAPA's patron saint: St. Happenin'

 

[prechilill]

So then can we mark you down as being uncooperative in addition to seeking PBGC confiscation and redistribution?

"We"? Mouse in your pocket again?

 

[traderjake]

That case supports OUR position, not your.

According to you every case supports your position.

 

[Phoenix]

"We"? Mouse in your pocket again?

I consider myself to get along with just about anyone, but I must say that your interest in the contents of my pockets during thoughts of corporation.. well I'm not sure if I should be totally comfortable with that.

 

[end_of_alpa]

According to you every case supports your position.

I'll tell you what. You read the case and then explain to ME how it supports YOUR position when they had a JCBA for three years under a dovetailed (DOH) seniority list THEN the majority wanted to ENDTAIL the Glencoe employees.

Tell me HOW this case supports YOUR position? No nonsense, just brief the case for me and relate it to our situation.

 

[end_of_alpa]

According to you every case supports your position.

Here is what that judge said, BTW:

"The only federal case in point on endtailing which we have found is Hargrove v. Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers, 116 F.Supp. 3 (D.D.C.1953), which holds that a cause of action for a breach of the union's duty of fair representation lies when, three years after the acquisition of a firm, the union abolishes seniority rights previously given employees for pre-acquisition work with the acquired firm. This case squarely supports our conclusion that an unfair labor practice may have been committed here."

Nicolau entails East pilots after 517 and IS AN UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE. In short, Nicolau does NOT have a LEGITIMATE UNION PURPOSE.

"In summary, since the established seniority rights of a minority of the Barton employees have been abridged by the 1972 collective bargaining agreement for no apparent reason other than political expediency, there seem to be sufficient grounds in this case to support the Board order. We thus are remanding the case to the Board for a determination whether the Union violated its duty of fair representation, and thus committed an unfair labor practice, by successfully negotiating for the endtailing proposal."

The Transistion agreement is NOT a JCBA. No dispute, FACT. It's a FREEZE agreement and that is all. There is NO JCBA for three years like there was in Barton. That IS the proper fact pattern.

 

[Beancounter]

Pilot seniority cooperation means integrating three lists.

If you do get a due over, the question remains; have you learned from your failures? Has the previously unfathomable thought that DOH in our situation is not fair, crept into your heads yet?

Bean

 

[Phoenix]

If you do get a due over, the question remains; have you learned from your failures? Has the previously unfathomable thought that DOH in our situation is not fair, crept into your heads yet?

Bean

The thing that we should all let enter into our minds is that USAPA and APA are negotiating, and we all have a mutual interest in a cooperative outcome. I for one think the APA and USAPA reps understand exactly what is at stake here. YMMV.

 

[nevergiveup]

If you do get a due over, the question remains; have you learned from your failures? Has the previously unfathomable thought that DOH in our situation is not fair, crept into your heads yet?

Bean

DOH without fences....agreed unfair.

 

[nevergiveup]

And... if you're a Republican and not in the top 1%, then I can see how you're so easily manipulated by management and the union.

Bean

At least I'm not manipulated by a lawyer taking money from me that I will never see again! You guys will believe anything! I'm going to let you learn this lesson on your own!

 

[Metroyet]

Here is what that judge said, BTW:

"The only federal case in point on endtailing which we have found is Hargrove v. Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers, 116 F.Supp. 3 (D.D.C.1953), which holds that a cause of action for a breach of the union's duty of fair representation lies when, three years after the acquisition of a firm, the union abolishes seniority rights previously given employees for pre-acquisition work with the acquired firm. This case squarely supports our conclusion that an unfair labor practice may have been committed here."

Nicolau entails East pilots after 517 and IS AN UNFAIR LABOR PRACTICE. In short, Nicolau does NOT have a LEGITIMATE UNION PURPOSE.

"In summary, since the established seniority rights of a minority of the Barton employees have been abridged by the 1972 collective bargaining agreement for no apparent reason other than political expediency, there seem to be sufficient grounds in this case to support the Board order. We thus are remanding the case to the Board for a determination whether the Union violated its duty of fair representation, and thus committed an unfair labor practice, by successfully negotiating for the endtailing proposal."

The Transistion agreement is NOT a JCBA. No dispute, FACT. It's a FREEZE agreement and that is all. There is NO JCBA for three years like there was in Barton. That IS the proper fact pattern.

Jury and Wake shot all this B.S. down too. You and your delusionally brain damaged cohorts are alone on an island.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Jury and Wake shot all this B.S. down too. You and your delusionally brain damaged cohorts are alone on an island.

And the 9th shot WAKE and the jury down, talk of delusion!

 

[end_of_alpa]

Jury and Wake shot all this B.S. down too. You and your delusionally brain damaged cohorts are alone on an island.

You don't know what your talking about, poor, poor, wannabe pilot with no job.

Better than being just alone and by yourself. I pity you.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

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