Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[Move2CLT]

Or the evidence we use when we sue the socks off of the company for imposing the NIC. Of course, we have the 9th and Silver's court BOTH saying it doesn't HAVE to be the NIC. The company has the liability either way. Had they been more interested in settling this to start with instead of their "hands off" policy that kept us on LOA 93, it might be different.

Driver...

Sue the socks off the company for using an arbitrated list? Are you serious or just an idiot?

Sounds like you're just a serious idiot.

Damn you're fantasies are getting out of hand. I'm sure you've rubbed yourself raw by now.

 

[Phoenix]

Read some of their posts. The ones about the junior west guys and the Nicolau are interesting. Supports what we have said all along. The APA guys know the age of the East pilots. They know the age of the West pilots. They surmised correctly that putting a bunch of younger guys ahead of the East guys, then merging the list is damaging to them. You guys better get a grip on reality. The APA guys know the Nicolau is not for them. That is why they refuse to talk to Fergie when he comes calling. Begging is actually more like it.

Yeah, the nut jobs posting extreme, emotional, and derisive posts are clearly far outside any range of reasonableness that will prevail to actually conduct business. "STFUers" can't even see they are broadcasting like a wounded cat in the corner.

 

[Move2CLT]

Yeah, the nut jobs posting extreme, emotional, and derisive posts are clearly far outside any range of reasonableness that will prevail to actually conduct business. STFU can't even see they are a wounded cat in the corner.

Ya, sure, that's it.

You're on LOA93, DOH is dead, and Nic is the only list Parker has.

And we're wounded?

You sound like a retard as well.

 

[Phoenix]

Well, at least one of them confessed, so apparently is not totally blind.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

Yeah, the nut jobs posting extreme, emotional, and derisive posts are clearly far outside any range of reasonableness that will prevail to actually conduct business. "STFUers" can't even see they are broadcasting like a wounded cat in the corner.

Actually DUI holds alot of proposals, the "KIRBY" etc ! None ever jointly agreed upon in a "single JCBA" anything moving forward is a 3 way deal, IE payrates, work rules,Their has never been operational intergration, meaning , no operational list, a 3 way deal negates the T/A, making it a 3 way deal with 2 representational bodies and the surviveing company , my guess AA and HORTON in control , selling off the "WEST" entity, and avoiding all litigation and takeing on the economics of an unprofitable hub!

 

[Beancounter]

Actually DUI holds alot of proposals, the "KIRBY" etc ! None ever jointly agreed upon in a "single JCBA" anything moving forward is a 3 way deal, IE payrates, work rules,Their has never been operational intergration, meaning , no operational list, a 3 way deal negates the T/A, making it a 3 way deal with 2 representational bodies and the surviveing company , my guess AA and HORTON in control , selling off the "WEST" entity, and avoiding all litigation and takeing on the economics of an unprofitable hub!

Well if Horton's running the show I certainly hope we get sold off. It would be great, you guys would find yourselves in bankruptcy AGAIN. I'm not sure what's more disturbing, your utter detachment from reality or the fact you fly airplanes with people in them.

Bean

 

[Claxon]

So this is your wet dream seniority list?

DOH and no west pilots on the list. Some dumb ass east pilots must have given this list to a few dumb ass American pilot who think this is reality.

The same dumb ass pilots that think they can stop an $8 billion merger.

THE COURT (Judge Silver): And, Mr. Szymanski, anything else?

MR. SYZMANSKI (USAPA Attorney): Your Honor, we have discussed in our
papers a request for mediation. But I assume that since the
opposition of the West class is that they don't see any reason
to participate, that the Court doesn't see any utility in that.

THE COURT (Judge Silver): Everybody -- one side is going to stand
stiffly against the other. It doesn't make any sense. It's a
needless consumption of time. Thank you for raising that.

MR. SYZMANSKI: I appreciate that, Your Honor.

The Honorable Judge Silver court order;

Pursuant to the Court’s resolution of the motions for summary judgment,
IT IS ORDERED Counts I and III of the complaint are dismissed and judgment is
entered in favor of US Airline Pilots Association on Count II of the complaint. US Airline
Pilots Association’s seniority proposal does not breach its duty of fair representation
provided it is supported by a legitimate union purpose. This judgment is binding on the
following class: “All pilots employed by US Airways in September 2008 who were on the
America West seniority list on September 20, 2005.”

DATED this 4th day of December, 2012.

 

[Move2CLT]

Actually DUI holds alot of proposals, the "KIRBY" etc ! None ever jointly agreed upon in a "single JCBA" anything moving forward is a 3 way deal, IE payrates, work rules,Their has never been operational intergration, meaning , no operational list, a 3 way deal negates the T/A, making it a 3 way deal with 2 representational bodies and the surviveing company , my guess AA and HORTON in control , selling off the "WEST" entity, and avoiding all litigation and takeing on the economics of an unprofitable hub!

No three-way #### nuts. Your reps have been told this already so leave it alone.

 

[Phoenix]

Crandall talks about pilot seniority cooperation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mJUyYskVYI&sns=em

 

[Move2CLT]

And?

 

[Graceson]

What the company told the court was the believe that the T/A is binding and that since the accepted the Nicolau that is the only list.

Read it for yourself.

That will be used as evidence in the next DFR if the company tries to use something else.

Statements that the company's attorneys carefully crafted for the record. Short of a more preferable DJ, the court was compelled by these statements to render clarity on both the degree and likelihood of culpability. As suggested, LCC will most certainly use the transcripts as a demonstration of diligence and good faith. With tact, the company coereced the court to render opinion on -- "Is it the Nic and only the Nic." The court affirmed a wider range of reasonableness.

A LUP must satisfy the test of reason or moderation. As a process, the binding part of binding arbitration becomes unenforceable when it is recognized as unratifable. The Ninth specifically addressed this. In the Nic's place, any agreement must not exceed the bounds of reason or moderation. It may not be the Nic, but it may not be what most fear it to be.

 

[prechilill]

I guess anything is possible, though I doubt any spin-offs at this junction. Had Marty and his " legal gang that could not shoot straight (with guest gunslinger Siegel from the Company)" gotten any traction in the courts, they might well have soured the deal enough to consider a split. But utter failure in the legal front by both the Company and Leo has rendered any problems merging the West moot. They are along for the ride, and unfortunately will be with us for the duration.Greeter

Nic is it, the company cannot risk liability on the issue. Watch the Crandall video a few times and you might figure this out. You're staying on the bottom, Greeter. Happy St. Nic!

 

[traderjake]

And?

And you missed the part where Crandell said that in order for the merger to be sucessfull APA needs to give East pilots DOH.

 

[A320 Driver]

Sounds like you're just a serious idiot.

Yes, that can be confirmed by my wife.

Yes, my scenario is far fetched, but no more than the majority of those who post here with their "it's in the bag" scenarios.

Driver...

 

[Claxon]

That's really your question?

The question was the fact you claimed your BPR had to use the Nic in their meeting. Let your PHX rep come on and either refute it or give everyone his apocalyptic view.