Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[A320 Driver]

As is stands, we are at a huge disadvantage to the AMR pilots, and what is ludicrous is that there are still east pilots posting thinking somehow they will end up negotiating DOH with the APA.

Personally, I don't think that at all. I believe the best case, the most bulletproof case, the most durable case is a three way integration using the current paradigm all under the umbrella of M/B. Of course, you won't agree. More than that, you CAN'T agree because you have the NIC and you want it to the point of desperation. I for one do not feel any desperation for DOH. There are those that do and they are more financially driven than philosophically driven. What the company wants, what the APA wants and what USAPA needs is cover...a defensible position. I believe M/B gives them that and I would support whatever is awarded under that method. Then you can file your injunctions and your lawsuits and see how much traction you can get with them in federal court. Just my opinion, but I would guess, not much.

Driver...

 

[A320 Driver]

Oh look, the retard thinks Reed is am exceptional writer! LMAO! I'm sure Ted is beaming with that endorsement.

Seven years with no Nic? Nope, Nic is still here. It's ore like seven years with the majority pilots unable to use their strength in numbers to cram down their DOH list. Hell, you losers couldn't even get it over the table for SEVEN years.

LMAO.

You must not have much LM "A" O left by now.

 

[prechilill]

It's the Nic..

USAPA is trying to figure out how to get you guys to accept that reality.

I've heard that from APA pilots close to the inner circle. It's the Nic because anything else is subject to litigation... The Nic is by far seen as the path of least resistance.

 

[luvthe9]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6f1MKpLGM

I've heard that from APA pilots close to the inner circle. It's the Nic because anything else is subject to litigation... The Nic is by far seen as the path of least resistance.

Reminds me of Simone,

 

[Move2CLT]

I've heard that from APA pilots close to the inner circle. It's the Nic because anything else is subject to litigation... The Nic is by far seen as the path of least resistance.

Exactly.

You guys can give your three way a rest. Ain't happening.

 

[A320 Driver]

Exactly.

You guys can give your three way a rest. Ain't happening.

OK, we can litigate it and tie it up in court as well as anyone. Company won't get a pass on this.

Driver...

 

[Claxon]

It's the Nic..

USAPA is trying to figure out how to get you guys to accept that reality.

You are as dumb as the west posters here. Maybe you should dust off the 9th court of appeals ruling and Judge Silver. LAW says otherwise, not your toolbag Trans States buddies.

 

[oscarjazz]

I've heard that from APA pilots close to the inner circle. It's the Nic because anything else is subject to litigation... The Nic is by far seen as the path of least resistance.

It is not just changing the seniority list is subject to litigation, it is subject to litigation where everyone in the world, except USAPA, knows the outcome. All of the courts that have looked at this situation have agreed that USAPA will lose. The only question is when a lawsuit can be filed. All outside parties understand that whenever this situation is resolved the final list will be the Nicolau list. That is why everyone else involved in this merger will insist on the Nicolau list. Eventually the lawsuit will be filed and West pilots will win. USAPA seems more than willing to toss aside common sense and take these silly risks. No one else involved in this deal is willing to jump into the crazy boat.

USAPA has two choices: accept this deal and get the benefits along with the Nicolau list, or reject this deal and get nothing and have the Nicolau list jammed down their throats. I am not sure that USAPA has the ability to even make this no brainer of a choice.

 

[Claxon]

OK, we can litigate it and tie it up in court as well as anyone. Company won't get a pass on this.

Driver...

Exactly. USAPA should tie up the merger at the gate. Parker can have his payback.

 

[Claxon]

It is not just changing the seniority list is subject to litigation, it is subject to litigation where everyone in the world, except USAPA, knows the outcome. All of the courts that have looked at this situation have agreed that USAPA will lose. The only question is when a lawsuit can be filed. All outside parties understand that whenever this situation is resolved the final list will be the Nicolau list. That is why everyone else involved in this merger will insist on the Nicolau list. Eventually the lawsuit will be filed and West pilots will win. USAPA seems more than willing to toss aside common sense and take these silly risks. No one else involved in this deal is willing to jump into the crazy boat.

USAPA has two choices: accept this deal and get the benefits along with the Nicolau list, or reject this deal and get nothing and have the Nicolau list jammed down their throats. I am not sure that USAPA has the ability to even make this no brainer of a choice.

You are an idiot the western morons have rolled out. The AA pilots I know, and there are a bunch, want nothing to do with a bunch of younger kids going ahead of them when they know the age of the eastern group. You have no argument whatsover, except your ALPA drivel. If the company or any others try to impose the Nic this deal will grind right back to the 9th. And everyone except you knows how that went down. Standby for massive delays.
Cite "all the courts that have look at this situation have agreed USAPA will lose. " LIAR
On the contrary, every court has said exactly the OPPOSITE of what you lied.

 

[Claxon]

Here is what the 9th said Oscar. You say USAPA will lose. How does USAPA lose, when the 9th Court of Appeals said this. CITE YOUR case law, or shut up. It is easy to say what you do, but you are just an opinionated loud mouth with no legal standing. How is this for starters? Are we going to get that other idiot Jetzz running his mouth too?


[8] Plaintiffs seek to escape this conclusion by framing
their harm as the lost opportunity to have a CBA implementing
the Nicolau Award put to a ratification vote. Because
merely putting a CBA effectuating the Nicolau Award to a
ratification vote will not itself alleviate the West Pilots furloughs,
Plaintiffs have not identified a sufficiently concrete
injury.2 Additionally, USAPA’s final proposal may yet be one
that does not work the disadvantages Plaintiffs fear, even if
that proposal is not the Nicolau Award.3

 

[luvthe9]

It is not just changing the seniority list is subject to litigation, it is subject to litigation where everyone in the world, except USAPA, knows the outcome. All of the courts that have looked at this situation have agreed that USAPA will lose. The only question is when a lawsuit can be filed. All outside parties understand that whenever this situation is resolved the final list will be the Nicolau list. That is why everyone else involved in this merger will insist on the Nicolau list. Eventually the lawsuit will be filed and West pilots will win. USAPA seems more than willing to toss aside common sense and take these silly risks. No one else involved in this deal is willing to jump into the crazy boat.

USAPA has two choices: accept this deal and get the benefits along with the Nicolau list, or reject this deal and get nothing and have the Nicolau list jammed down their throats. I am not sure that USAPA has the ability to even make this no brainer of a choice.

What a crock. I can't figure who writes the biggest whoppers, JJ, Oscar or Jetz

 

[Black Swan]

I've heard that from APA pilots close to the inner circle. It's the Nic because anything else is subject to litigation... The Nic is by far seen as the path of least resistance.

So the path of least resistance is always legal and the prefered methodology of the court system? If it is easier and less resistantance to break into my neighbors house and take his money rather than walk into the town to the bank and get my own then I have an argument that I should not be arrested? Just because it is easier? And if every court has already said USAPA is free to negotiate seniority as long as they do not harm is not the easiest path to integrating therefore it is to be not considered an option? Since when does it not become a litigious item when the Nic is forced on USAPA as you say is easier and everything else is subject to litigation? Not using the USAPA list is the most dangerous path the company could possibly take after all the courts have upheld USAPA.
The more I read your posts, the more convinced I am you just sit there and make things up. You make absolutely no legal sense at all. Your "inner circle" doesn't have a clue what they are doing.

 

[Move2CLT]

OK, we can litigate it and tie it up in court as well as anyone. Company won't get a pass on this.

Driver...

You'll litigate what? For using an arbitrated list? You think you'll get an injunction and tie this up? Give it a rest.

All you do is waste your money so quit being an idiot.

 

[Black Swan]

You'll litigate what? For using an arbitrated list? You think you'll get an injunction and tie this up? Give it a rest.

All you do is waste your money so quit being an idiot.

You mean the arbitrated list that doesn't have to be used?
If the offer from the company does not match the monetary offer the American pilots got as far as signing bonus goes it is a NO vote from me. I could care less about any American merger. It won't be anything good. A lot of East guys feel the same way.