Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[nevergiveup]

Did you get any of the $70m distributed to the east pilots only? The AWA pilots, the profitable ones, got zip.

Would you mean the deceit and psychotic strategies that the flounding fathers of this 'union' have propagated on this pilot group since day one? Openness, honesty, transparency. The pilots have a say, more democratic?

The east walked away from the JCBA, formed new union and placed two extremely inexperienced pilots and a has been contract administrator up against a seasoned PROFESSIONAL. And had the audacity to try to out smart him.

Your true colors are showing, you want DOH because you brought absolutely nothing the the dance. Go back to monitoring the union bulliten board.....

They are starting to realize they had it made and blew it!

 

[nevergiveup]

Is APA getting 13.5 % of US Airways as well as AMR or are they just getting 13.5% of the present AMR?

 

[eastcoast]

You've been given the facts by people that know why these things are the way they are. You are either incapable of understanding them or you don't want to. Either way, you embarrass yourself further with every post.

Very true. I can't even get through reading what he writes anymore without getting a glossy-eyed look and feelings of pity for his public display of desperation. Much like the browbeating and mob mentality you described in the crew room, only in electronic form. I've been saying this for decades about our group. I can't even begin to rationalize or explain the peer pressure tactics and strong-arming that has plagued our pilot group, long before our bankruptcies and merger.

As for luvthe9, didn't someone recently post a funny cartoon about a donkey acting like a jacka$$? I laughed myself off my chair, until I realized how appropriate the analogy is. There is no talking to or reasoning with people like this. Very sad. Luckily they are losing their stranglehold on our careers.

 

[PullUp]

Is APA getting 13.5 % of US Airways as well as AMR or are they just getting 13.5% of the present AMR?

Whatever the new company is comprised of after emerging from Ch11, that's the stock they'll get. If LCC/AMR merge whilst in BK, then the 'new' AMR will consist of LCC+AMR. If they emerge stand-alone, then the 'new' AMR stock consists of only AMR.
If they merge, LCC stock in all likelyhood will be traded for shares in the 'new' AMR.
Cheers.

 

[signals]

That rings a bell. There was something you said a while back that made me think you were a westie, I can't remember what it was. Just can't put my finger on it. So, I'll just ask you on your honor. Are you now, or have you ever been based in PHX or LAS?

Starting to wake-up, huh?

 

[signals]

Question was posed and answered once before and the answer was no to both bases with an "not ever" attached.

...and Move never lied!

 

[cleardirect]

I spoke with a pilot the other day that told me that no less than 4 other pilots accosted him in the crew room and brow beat him over his YES vote on the MOU. "Mob mentality" is a good way to describe it. It wasn't pilots discussing the issues...it was a band of pilots demanding a NO vote. It's shameful that so called "professional" pilots reduce themselves to thugs to push an agenda of pure hatred.

So what you are saying is business as usual with east pilots.

We heard those same stories about voting for usapa.

Thugs.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Well if the DOH mantra hadn't been the controlling feeling.

The average east C/O gave up easily $40k per year, times say 7 years, that's $280k. All to protect the Furloughees.

Do you really believe this? It's a shame you bought into the AOL fundraiser 'angry f/o' scheme.

 

[signals]

Jurik Island.

There is a Jurk in Jurik.

 

[cactusboy53]

A large bankrupt company and a small record profitability company merge and the employees at the new, largest company in its industry sector, accept the bankrupt wages of the larger company. The bankrupt employees get $100,000 bonus 13.5 % of the new company and the former profitable employees get $9500 each. Discuss if this is possible, using ideas of, but not limited to deceit and psychological strategies. {factors for discussion..both groups are highly skilled and unionized.}

The CEO of a smaller thriving airline making profits in a post 9/11 industry decides to acquire a larger major airline that is in Chapter 11 bankruptcy, and a very short time from complete liquidation. The bankrupt employees (while still on bankrupt wages) get a $70 Million dollar payout (in two equal payments), get some stock options & now get profit sharing.

The pilots of the smaller company (while making a better wage and MUCH better contract conditions) do get the shared profit sharing but no $70 Million Payout or stock options.

The pilots of the the collective new company would now be in a SECOND post merger contract (example: DAL), were it not for the idiotic retreat from the joint negotiation table and the birth of a new union with the promise of the best contract with "date of hire" seniority within 90 days (that was over 2000 days ago).

By failing to accept a legally binding seniority award and moving on, these moves have cost all pilots millions and millions of dollars and time off NEVER to be recovered.

Discuss while consuming mass quantities of fried chicken & pizza......

 

[cactusboy53]

Is APA getting 13.5 % of US Airways as well as AMR or are they just getting 13.5% of the present AMR?

Did you or any former US Air pilots get stock options in the new US Airways? Why? If any of you did, why was that not offered to the AWA pilots?.....

 

[luvthe9]

The CEO of a smaller thriving airline making profits in a post 9/11 industry decides to acquire a larger major airline that is in Chapter 11 bankruptcy, and a very short time from complete liquidation. The bankrupt employees (while still on bankrupt wages) get a $70 Million dollar payout (in two equal payments), get some stock options & now get profit sharing.

The pilots of the smaller company (while making a better wage and MUCH better contract conditions) do get the shared profit sharing but no $70 Million Payout or stock options.

The pilots of the the collective new company would now be in a SECOND post merger contract (example: DAL), were it not for the idiotic retreat from the joint negotiation table and the birth of a new union with the promise of the best contract with "date of hire" seniority within 90 days (that was over 2000 days ago).

By failing to accept a legally binding seniority award and moving on, these moves have cost all pilots millions and millions of dollars and time off NEVER to be recovered.

Discuss while consuming mass quantities of fried chicken & pizza......

That's just the Dan Cloud scab heritage coming from you.

 

[doh nogo]

That's just the Dan Cloud scab heritage coming from you.

As for luvthe9, didn't someone recently post a funny cartoon about a donkey acting like a jacka$$? I laughed myself off my chair, until I realized how appropriate the analogy is. There is no talking to or reasoning with people like this. Very sad.

You mean this?




Yes, very appropriate.

Yes, very sad.

 

[Bill Brasky]

You mean this?




Yes, very appropriate.

Yes, very sad.

Substitute "NIC" for "no" and "legally binding" for "kevin Bacon" and you have the westies on this board. All day, everyday.

 

[nic4us]

Substitute "NIC" for "no" and "legally binding" for "kevin Bacon" and you have the westies on this board. All day, everyday.

That makes no sense....."legally binding" was not in Footloose.

Next thing you know you will be saying you can trade DOH for a cost neutral contract with crew meals!