Dec 2012 / Jan 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[noDOH4u]

Right here you idiot. Go back a page before you mouth off.

Yeah, but you're still not man enough to admit you are a loser this time around and in the minority BY FAR... idiot.

All that wasted bandwidth thinking you would have an influence on the outcome. Have your feelings of self-importance vanished yet? You don't even realize how much people were laughing at your display of desperation. What a tool!

 

[Claxon]

Ahhhh, the sweet smell of desperation from the Clax-man. Keep clicking those heels, Dorothy!!

More BS from DS. Dave, I post facts, you post your humble opinion.

Dave, you are and will always be a former america west pilot.

 

[Claxon]

Ahhhh, the sweet smell of desperation from the Clax-man. Keep clicking those heels, Dorothy!!

Ah the good ole days dave. america west pilots helping save Australia, then Us Airways and now AMR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5t5aE0iW4o

 

[A320 Driver]

How about "vote for loa93. The contract written with no ending that USAir pilots also quickly accepted?"

After members of our MEC and Negotiating Committee fumbled the ball and got us caught between a POS contract and an 1113 motion. Don't you get it at all? You sound like Brookman.

 

[A320 Driver]

america west pilots latest update.

Leonidas Update February 7, 2013

On Friday, February First, Leonidas, LLC published an update encouraging West pilots to consider voting to ratify the MOU in light of the fact that we do not believe it harmful to our mission of protecting and enforcing the Nicolau Award. Here are additional advantages to passing the MOU. We do this with the knowledge that Leonidas, LLC leaders have a track-record of virtually unanimous support from the West pilots. Therefore, US Airways management can expect the vast majority of former AWA pilots to support their MOU.

Remember, the polls close this coming Friday at 1400 ET, so please visit https://www.BallotPoint.com/USAPA/to cast your vote if you haven't already. We will say it again, please vote to ratify the MOU now. It is in your best interests, and here is why:

1) Ripeness. This was discussed in last Friday's update. Please click here to review.

2) Furlough Protection. Only West pilots are involuntarily furloughed.

Sincerely,

Leonidas, LLC

I read the update on Ripeness. While I agree that it is "one step closer" it is by no means ripe. The 9th was absolutely clear that the West pilot group had to suffer harm from a SLI. We are nowhere near that. A SLI has to be negotiated (fails), arbitrated under M/B, AND integrated. Then and only then could you allege harm. We are at least a couple of years from that. And then you have to prove it. Regarding the furloughs, I have a problem with the word "involuntarily". They have been offered recall and passed. I actually spoke to one West pilot who accepted recall East. He was flying the 190, had an Airbus bid, and was satisfied with his position. I can only conclude that the 40 or so others have better deals elsewhere and don't want to come back. Maybe never, who knows?

 

[Portly Dorman]

But how much was left ont he table? I'm sure there was more. Where was the pit bull?

There's always more....weren't those agreements just 'proposals'?

Ask the PBGC about the East pension. The results of your inquiry will result in a response that is similar to the following;;

The East pilots will be getting approximately 3000 more a month in retirement for life, compared to you, a west pilot.

 

[nic4us]

More BS from DS. Dave, I post facts, you post your humble opinion.

Dave, you are and will always be a former america west pilot.

You truly are a complete idiot.

What you intend as an insult is actually a badge of honor that a scumbag such as yourself would never have been able to obtain.

The "facts" you post betray your jealousy.

As always, there is however a bright side. With the acceptance of the MOU and perhaps a future AMR POR, the east pilots will finally be elevated to the status of AWE pilot!!!

 

[nic4us]

I read the update on Ripeness. While I agree that it is "one step closer" it is by no means ripe. The 9th was absolutely clear that the West pilot group had to suffer harm from a SLI. We are nowhere near that. A SLI has to be negotiated (fails), arbitrated under M/B, AND integrated. Then and only then could you allege harm. We are at least a couple of years from that. And then you have to prove it. Regarding the furloughs, I have a problem with the word "involuntarily". They have been offered recall and passed. I actually spoke to one West pilot who accepted recall East. He was flying the 190, had an Airbus bid, and was satisfied with his position. I can only conclude that the 40 or so others have better deals elsewhere and don't want to come back. Maybe never, who knows?

Since you mention MB, I would suggest that you are counting apples (AWE/AAA merger and SLI) with oranges (AWE/AMR merger and SLI).

The tentative deals and arrangements have already been negotiated. The luncheons and meetings have taken place, the decisions made.

The only "accepted system seniority list" for all LCC pilots is the Nicolau award.

No harm will be alleged, as no harm will be brought.

Why usapa and supporters think others will join them in causing harm is beyond me. I can only guess that the denial had run rampant on the east, and that is why they followed the little union busting lawyer on his "seniority is like crew meals" failed fantasy.

 

[EastUS1]

...you are and will always be a former america west pilot.

What you intend as an insult is actually a badge of honor that a scumbag such as yourself would never have been able to obtain.

"...would never have been able to obtain."...? Umm...Seriously!? Wow! 🙂 If you honestly believe that nic...well...it's now sadly clear where all the "spartans", "knights", "dire wolves", "righteous cause" and "billions in damages" fantasies come from. 😉

 

[nic4us]

...you are and will always be a former america west pilot.



"...would never have been able to obtain."...? Wow! 🙂 If you honestly believe that nic...well...it's now sadly clear where all the "spartans", "knights", "dire wolves", "righteous cause" and "billions in damages" fantasies come from. 😉

His disdain for America West is my primary evidence that he would have never sought employment at AWA, or that he did and was denied.

 

[EastUS1]

His disdain for America West is my primary evidence that he would have never sought employment at AWA, or that he did and was denied.

"... or that he did and was denied."...? Puhleeaze.

Sigh! I mean no offence to the entire west group, since I know some good folks number among them....but your arrogance in assuming even the slightest bit of inherent and universal ability or noble nature for ANY large group of people can not fail but to afford much amusement. 😉 All sizeable groups will always contain their respective village idiots, "knights" and all else that attends the human condition.

PS: Speaking of village idiots; I see cleardirect online and a minus vote already assigned to the above, seemingly reasonable observation. I'd best remove myself before the "knights" and "dire wolves" start swarming! 🙂

 

[Beancounter]

"... or that he did and was denied."...? Puhleeaze.

Sigh! I mean no offence to the entire west group, since I know some good folks number among them....but your arrogance in assuming even the slightest bit of inherent and universal ability or noble nature for ANY group of people can not fail but to afford much amusement. 😉 All sizeable groups will always contain their respective village idiots, "knights" and all else that attends the human condition.

PS: Speaking of village idiots; I see cleardirect online and a minus vote already assigned to the above, seemingly reasonable observation. I'd best remove myself before the "knights" and "dire wolves" start swarming! 🙂

No offense taken. He may have just stated a fact however. In the years leading up to the merger there were a lot of US Airways pilots hired at AWA. Seemed like one in every class. I was hired in 04' and there was an FO in my class (prior 737 captain I think). Nice guy, he even gave me some advice on flying the 737, but he was really angry at the seniority award. I heard through the grapevine (rumor discalimer) that he left for Virgin America after the NIC came out.

Bean

 

[EastUS1]

No offense taken. He may have just stated a fact however. In the years leading up to the merger there were a lot of US Airways pilots hired at AWA. Seemed like one in every class. I was hired in 04' and there was an FO in my class (prior 737 captain I think). Nice guy, he even gave me some advice on flying the 737, but he was really angry at the seniority award. I heard through the grapevine (rumor discalimer) that he left for Virgin America after the NIC came out.

Bean

The whole seniority debacle could not have been better contrived as a divisive and destructive device by even the most dedicated of fiends. Without this mess; it's my notion that most of us would have gotten along pretty well. Oh well...there's always something going on that keeps life "interesting". Sadly in our case here, more in the sense of the old chinese curse = May you live in interesting times.

However the dust finally settles on this, and it finally seems likely to do so within the somewhat foreseeable future; I'd suggest that all who will yet be around for many years do their very best to put it behind them. That's much, much easier said than done, but there's just no point in harboring lifetime resentments in the workplace.

 

[Beancounter]

The whole seniority debacle could not have been better contrived as a divisive and destructive device by even the most dedicated of fiends. Without this mess; it's my notion that most of us would have gotten along pretty well. Oh well...there's always something going on the keep life "interesting". Sadly in our case here, more in the sense of the old chinese curse = May you live in interesting times.

However the dust finally settles on this, and it finally seems likely to do so within the somewhwat foreseeable future; I'd suggest that all who will yet be around for many years do their very best to put it behind them. That's much easier said than done, but there's just no point in harboring lifetime resentments in the workplace.

I second that.

Bean

 

[snapthis]

The whole seniority debacle could not have been better contrived as a divisive and destructive device by even the most dedicated of fiends. Without this mess; it's my notion that most of us would have gotten along pretty well. Oh well...there's always something going on that keeps life "interesting". Sadly in our case here, more in the sense of the old chinese curse = May you live in interesting times.

However the dust finally settles on this, and it finally seems likely to do so within the somewhat foreseeable future; I'd suggest that all who will yet be around for many years do their very best to put it behind them. That's much, much easier said than done, but there's just no point in harboring lifetime resentments in the workplace.

I applaud your post, East US. I have not visited this forum for months and it is refreshing to see a change. The other change I noticed is an explosion of banner ads. Kevin L must be doing well and raking it in.