Delta's use of temps worries full-timers

[signals]

Hmm.......noticed the only ones making an issue of this are "Former" union members who are wanting another union vote !

If Delta wanted to replace all full time employees with temps, why in the hell would they offer full time jobs to temps ?

http://www.startribune.com/business/140349533.html

"From November 2008 to the end of 2011, more than 2,700 Ready Reserves were hired full time nationwide, Durrant said. Delta hired 52 Ready Reserves into full-time jobs at MSP last year."

You guys still jonesing for a union?

Funny...ha-ha. Still dissing unions after it was DALPA that saved the scabs. See another discussion.

 

[signals]

Where in that article do you see someone claiming to "represent" DL? They were asked some questions by the press, and answered truthfully, with their own opinions.

Not defending anyone here, but nobody has to claim that they are representing anyone, if you work for them, the 'press' makes it an issue. They also tend to 'edit' your comments, trust me on this one. If I make an unauthorized comment about my employer, I will face disciplinary action, and you can bet I will be terminated-period.

 

[signals]

no, Kevin. I will not tell someone what to do with the choices they make in their life.
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But I will ask serioius questions and expect you to critically evaluate those questions.
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In your case, the question is really, "if DL is not the kind of company you can believe in, why do you stay?".
One more time in somewhat different verbiage, "If the values you hold are incompatible with what DL is, then why do you continue to invest your time and energy there?

I take issue when people feel that if you don't like your job, you should leave it. You're an intelligent individual, WT, so in today's economy, why would somebody leave a job they do well and seek something they love as a financial future?

To me, a job is a paycheck, I get a wage for services rendered. I don't have to like what I do, nor do I have to agree with my employer 100% of the time. I have to do my job efficiently and professionally and in a timely manner. Nothing in my contract says that I must think happy thoughts about my employer or be banished in the cornfield...bet I lost you there !

Bottom line is that a job is my livelihood, it is not my LIFE.

 

[tech2101]

I take issue when people feel that if you don't like your job, you should leave it. You're an intelligent individual, WT, so in today's economy, why would somebody leave a job they do well and seek something they love as a financial future?

To me, a job is a paycheck, I get a wage for services rendered. I don't have to like what I do, nor do I have to agree with my employer 100% of the time. I have to do my job efficiently and professionally and in a timely manner. Nothing in my contract says that I must think happy thoughts about my employer or be banished in the cornfield...bet I lost you there !

Bottom line is that a job is my livelihood, it is not my LIFE.

One of the better posts on these boards in quite some time.

Congratulations, you have dis-assimilated.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I take issue when people feel that if you don't like your job, you should leave it. You're an intelligent individual, WT, so in today's economy, why would somebody leave a job they do well and seek something they love as a financial future?

To me, a job is a paycheck, I get a wage for services rendered. I don't have to like what I do, nor do I have to agree with my employer 100% of the time. I have to do my job efficiently and professionally and in a timely manner. Nothing in my contract says that I must think happy thoughts about my employer or be banished in the cornfield...bet I lost you there !

Bottom line is that a job is my livelihood, it is not my LIFE.

I've said those very words several times...
But I also have not told anyone they should leave.... but I did ask why, if these matters are so important, they continue to provide their services to a company which idealogically they cannot support.
No one has been told they should leave. But if one has values and ideals that they believe in and which cannot be met in their current job situation, then I believe it is fair to ask why they stay.
Kev is a smart person and I believe he is an asset to his employer... and so are many others who speak opinions contrary to their employers on other forums here.
All of us get one chance to use the 70 or so years we have on earth for the purposes that most matter to us... each of us should make those years count for the most that matter to each of us.

 

[tech2101]

I've said those very words several times...
But I also have not told anyone they should leave.... but I did ask why, if these matters are so important, they continue to provide their services to a company which idealogically they cannot support.
No one has been told they should leave. But if one has values and ideals that they believe in and which cannot be met in their current job situation, then I believe it is fair to ask why they stay.
Kev is a smart person and I believe he is an asset to his employer... and so are many others who speak opinions contrary to their employers on other forums here.
All of us get one chance to use the 70 or so years we have on earth for the purposes that most matter to us... each of us should make those years count for the most that matter to each of us.

Most here have been through many different executive teams.

Maybe they are willing to wait the current crop out and work for a better future. Just because they don't support the current direction of the team now does not mean that they are working against the betterment of the corporation as a whole.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I completely support anyone's right (in this country anyway) to work to build the world they believe is best not only for themselves but for others....
but I have also said and I believe it bears repeating again that DL is better positioned relative to its peers in the industry than it has been at any time since deregulation.
DL has also done a better job of returning to its historic values than at any time since deregulation.
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Quite frankly, DL is working very well. There is little reason to think that DL will move away from the plan that is currently in place.... fine tuning, yes. A major change of direction, highly unlikely. And you need only look at the rest of the industry to understand why DL is so committed to protecting the environment that allowed DL to succeed in the past and is leading to that same success today compared with its peers.
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I understand the passion and commitment that many people here have to their ideals.... and in many ways it is a shame that they cannot use that passion, knowledge, and wisdom to achieve what they believe is best.
But to think that DL will change - current administration or not - to a model which hasn't produced the type of success that DL is now enjoying is not realistic.

 

[Kev3188]

Most here have been through many different executive teams.

Maybe they are willing to wait the current crop out and work for a better future. Just because they don't support the current direction of the team now does not mean that they are working against the betterment of the corporation as a whole.

^Exactly^

'Course, the very concept makes some people at the widget spontaneously combust.

 

[WorldTraveler]

^Exactly^

'Course, the very concept makes some people at the widget spontaneously combust.

I'm sorry to hear that, Kev.
I'd be curious to hear, if you wouldn't mind sharing, how that manifests itself in your life at work.

 

[tech2101]

I'm sorry to hear that, Kev.
I'd be curious to hear, if you wouldn't mind sharing, how that manifests itself in your life at work.

WT, think paradigm shift.

You think DL can only be succesful continuing doing exactly what they are doing now.

WT, think paradigm shift.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Tell me how you think DL should proceed and evolve. I'd be interested to hear your ideas.

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I am not sure how they are supposed to win by throwing out what works in favor of something that is new and untried to them - and still involves changing a formula that DOES work for them.

 

[tech2101]

When do you have time to do movies, Meryl? 😀

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm still waiting for a rational explanation as to why DL should change what it has been doing with success.
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In the meantime, we continue to watch DL's 3 largest US competitors struggle with labor and/or merger integration issues - issues which will take a significant toll on their bottom lines before the year is over - and ultimately those of their employees.
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Within that context, I'd still like to hear what they would do differently that would retain DL's ability to successfully compete....

 

[TDR1502C]

I'm still waiting for a rational explanation as to why DL should change what it has been doing with success.
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In the meantime, we continue to watch DL's 3 largest US competitors struggle with labor and/or merger integration issues - issues which will take a significant toll on their bottom lines before the year is over - and ultimately those of their employees.
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Within that context, I'd still like to hear what they would do differently that would retain DL's ability to successfully compete....

It was a stumbled and fumbled success. Easily misunderstood if so inclined.

There are many people at Delta that know how to achieve a planned success, but no one is receptive to their advice. It might bruise egos. Some leave the company, rather than adapt to lower standards.

Keep whistling past the graveyard. With pom-poms. There are better ways to run an airline than inertia and God's will.

Oveur.

 

[WorldTraveler]

not sure what the "it" is that you reference but I'm sure any of us could justifiably say that DL has not done alot of things as well as they could have or should have....
but when you consider that labor relations and merger integration are abyssmal at best in the airline industry, DL only has to do a little better than the rest of the pack in order to succeed.
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You need only look around at the industry at the number of people who disagree with their employers and you will see that many of those employees are indeed genuinely concerned about some of the actions their employers are taking - and it is enormously impacting those companies' futures.
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I am not expecting anyone to have blind faith in any company, including DL. I am simply saying that if you look at the environment in the industry, you will see that DL is doing a whole lot better job at running its business than many of its peers - and over the long term that has far more of an impact on job security, salary and benefits than simple comparisons appear to have today.
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I am all for people speaking up and making positive suggestions about how to improve organizations... but the simple fact remains that DL is using a model that works far better than that being used by many of their peers.
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I am certain that 2012 will result in an even bigger gap between DL and the rest of its peers and alot of DL employees will realize how much better they really do have it than many of their peers in the industry.