Do You Want To Re- Elect Bush For Presendent!

[KCFlyer]

A10 pilot...while you're flying around searching for tanks, think about this - when the "control of Iraq" is given back to the Iraqi's and a civil war breaks out, who do you think will get the blame for this? And what impact do you think this will have on GLOBAL TERRORISM? My bet is - we'll see it increase DRAMATICALLY. So in that case, our little "war on Iraqi terror" will only serve to increase it. And in the war on GLOBAL TERRORISM, it's a battle that we lost. Maybe we already have...I think the Spaniards failed to see how their help in fighting this Iraqi threat to the world helped stop any kind of terror. Of course, I'm sure they guys like you and Hannity will only stoop to calling them "cowards" and "giving into the terrorists". I sort of think they saw that the war they were helping the US in didn't do diddly squat to stop terrorism. So in your eyes, I'm sure that they are no better than the French. How many allies have we alienated now???

 

[A10Pilot]

A10 pilot...while you're flying around searching for tanks, think about this - when the "control of Iraq" is given back to the Iraqi's and a civil war breaks out, who do you think will get the blame for this? And what impact do you think this will have on GLOBAL TERRORISM?

What the #$& is your comment about 'flying around searching for tanks' supposed to mean? Once again you show how ignorant you are about military ops. If you think we are just meandering around looking for tanks, you need to be educated.

You and your kind are the ones who appease. You and your kind feed the croc hoping it wouldn't eat you - but it eventually does. Maybe if everyone just would leave Hitler alone, he would only gobble up unimportant satellite countries like Poland, Austria, and Hungary.

Don't react to the thugs and gangs in the neighborhood... they might get mad at us and be even meaner.

If we just leave the terrorists alone, maybe they will be nice to us.

No, the only thing they understand is force. It was the pathetic inaction of the Clinton adminstration that emboldened them. They figured we were a paper tiger when, attack after attack, we did NOTHING.

Well, they were wrong. Some of us are willing to fight the terrorists. Thankfully the Chamberlains of the world, which you fit right in with, are not in charge. We will not sit back and wait for terrorists to destroy our way of life - we will protect you and your ilk despite yourself.

A10 Pilot

 

[KCFlyer]

Well, they were wrong. Some of us are willing to fight the terrorists. Thankfully the Chamberlains of the world, which you fit right in with, are not in charge. We will not sit back and wait for terrorists to destroy our way of life - we will protect you and your ilk despite yourself.

A10 Pilot

YOu don't even know me, so I don't know how you know my "ilk". Because I don't bow down to the great Bush of the east doesn't mean I'm any less of a patriotic American than you are. YOu said that this is world war III, and you're right...and your commander in chief started it. Helluva thing to put on a resume. YOu can say all you want about how Saddam was a grave threat to America, but the bottom line is, he didn't have anything to do with the attack on America. I supported every single American troop that went to Iraq. I feel for the families of those who were killed over there. Hell, I even SUPPORTED the Bush when he went after Afghanistan. So did the rest of the world.

But then he set his sights on Iraq, and he lost ANY kind of support from me when he painted Saddam as the great threat to the civilized world. And by his actions, he has not only inflamed the hatred of our enemies, he's alienated a good number of our friends. You want to fight terrorism? Then go after Bin Laden. Even if Afghanistan is pretty rugged, keep after the terrorist who was responsible for an attack on America. Diverting the attention to an "easier" target was the WRONG thing to do. Those people already view America as the aggresor. Bush only provided them with more "proof" that they are right. He created an instability that is not going to do anything to reduce the threat of terrorism against the United States or the rest of the world.

There was a Time magazine article just before the war started that interviewed Jacques Chirac. You might want to dig it up and reread it - you might be surprised to see that the reasons he opposed the war in Iraq and the concerns he had about what force would bring about are right on target after the war has been "won". But he's just a gutless Frenchman who would just as soon surrender.

 

[A10Pilot]

YOu said that this is world war III, and you're right...and your commander in chief started it.

In case you forgot, on September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked America and killed 3,000 innocent people.

Your mind set, telling you President Bush started this is illuminating.

There was a Time magazine article just before the war started that interviewed Jacques Chirac. You might want to dig it up and reread it - you might be surprised to see that the reasons he opposed the war in Iraq and the concerns he had about what force would bring about are right on target after the war has been "won". But he's just a gutless Frenchman who would just as soon surrender.

The French were funneling military supplies ILLEGALLY to the Iraqis while I was in the fight. The French were constructing a nuclear facility in Iraq before the Israelis took it out. The French had huge amounts of money tied up in Iraq. The French undermined us with nations throughout the world. All this while Iraqi agents were bribing UN representatives. Don't even think about attributing credibility to Chirac when it comes to his ties to Iraq.

A10 Pilot

 

[A10Pilot]

YOu can say all you want about how Saddam was a grave threat to America, but the bottom line is, he didn't have anything to do with the attack on America.

- When will you comprehend this - GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR. It is not, REVENGE FOR 9/11.

- Do I need to repost all the information linking Hussein to Al Qaeda - including the 9/11 attackers? Even a judge ruled in a multimillion dollar settlement in support of the fact that: ‘by evidence satisfactory to the court’ that Iraq provided material support to bin Laden and al Qaeda,â€￾ Baer ruled.

Iraq had WMD and a history of supporting terrorists, including training camps in Iraq.

How you can not comprehend this fact is astounding.

A10 Pilot

 

[KCFlyer]

In case you forgot, on September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked America and killed 3,000 innocent people.

Your mind set, telling you President Bush started this is illuminating.

In case you forgot - in the days following 9/11 when President Bush announced the attack on Afghanistan he had the support of the entire world. See...we were retaliating for an attack on our country and the rest of the world was saying "give 'em hell W". Then....we decided to announce a GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR. The rest of the globe said "Whoa there Hoss". Then Bush reiterated his "your either with us or agin' us". The rest of the world still say wait. But Bush couldn't wait, told the world that we could go it alone, and attacked Iraq. So in the view of much of the rest of the world, yes indeed, GWB most certainly started WW III.

 

[NWA/AMT]

In case you forgot, on September 11, 2001, terrorists attacked America and killed 3,000 innocent people.

Terrorists, none of whom were Iraqis, although the majority were Saudi.

Your mind set, telling you President Bush started this is illuminating.

Who crossed who's border again? We were right in doing it in 1991 but that doesn't make it right any time we want to do it.

The French were constructing a nuclear facility in Iraq before the Israelis took it out.

In 1979!

Face it, attacking Afghanistan was part of the war on terrorism, attacking Iraq was not.

 

[A10Pilot]

The rest of the world still say wait. But Bush couldn't wait, told the world that we could go it alone, and attacked Iraq. So in the view of much of the rest of the world, yes indeed, GWB most certainly started WW III.

We have over 30 nations giving us support. I have personally worked in Iraq with Brits, Australians, Italians, Polish, as well as recently freed from under the USSR's thumb former Warsaw Pact personnel.

You would probably not blame the Japanese or anyone else who supported them when we were attacked on Dec 7, 1941. Instead, you would blame President Roosevelt for responding. You would also say we shouldn't bring forces to bear on anyone other than Japanese since only they were responsible for the attack.

You will only wake up when a suitcase nuke takes out hundreds of thousands of people.

A10 Pilot

 

[KCFlyer]

You would probably not blame the Japanese or anyone else who supported them when we were attacked on Dec 7, 1941. Instead, you would blame President Roosevelt for responding. You would also say we shouldn't bring forces to bear on anyone other than Japanese since only they were responsible for the attack.

You couldn't be more wrong. Roosevelt attacked the folks who attacked us. If Roosevelt would have been Bush, he would have attacked Cambodia in retaliation.

 

[A10Pilot]

Terrorists, none of whom were Iraqis, although the majority were Saudi.

In case you missed the last three times, liberal judge appointed by Carter: ‘by evidence satisfactory to the court’ that Iraq provided material support to bin Laden and al Qaeda,†Baer ruled.

The French were constructing a nuclear facility in Iraq before the Israelis took it out.

In 1979!

Face it, attacking Afghanistan was part of the war on terrorism, attacking Iraq was not.

Yeah, in 1979. What of it? It is just one in a long laundry list of dealings between France and Hussein. It continued up to and during the fighting. I was keenly aware of France's illegal dealings with Iraq as I was fighting Iraqis armed with said shipments.

Iraq IS part of the Global War On Terror. Over 30 nations think so. Just because you want to bury your head in the sand doesn't mean others will not step up and fight.

You couldn't be more wrong. Roosevelt attacked the folks who attacked us. If Roosevelt would have been Bush, he would have attacked Cambodia in retaliation.

You have made this inane statement before.

One more time: Hussein had WMD. He USED WMD. He supported terrorists. He had training camps in his country. He funneled money to terrorists. He had 17 UN Resolutions demanding he disarm and PROVE he disarmed. He refused. We (including ME) were being FIRED UPON by Iraqi forces on a regular basis during ONW and OSW patrols. He threated our troops. He supported terrorist attacks in Israel. He had the ability to transfer weaponry and toxins to terrorist organizations he sheltered that could wreak havoc in the US. What part of this do you not understand??????

*************** More information linking Iraq to terrorist threats to US *********

Exerpted from the Hudson Institute Report: " Saddam’s Hussein’s Philanthropy of Terror"

Saddam Hussein’s al Qaeda Connections

As for Hussein’s supposedly imaginary ties to al Qaeda, consider these disturbing facts:

The Philippine government expelled Hisham al Hussein, the second secretary at Iraq’s Manila embassy, on February 13, 2003. Cell phone records indicate that the Iraqi diplomat had spoken with Abu Madja and Hamsiraji Sali, leaders of Abu Sayyaf, just before and just after their al Qaeda-allied Islamic militant group conducted an attack in Zamboanga City. Abu Sayyaf’s nail-filled bomb exploded on October 2, 2002, injuring 23 individuals and killing two Filipinos and U.S. Special Forces Sergeant First Class Mark Wayne Jackson, age 40. As Dan Murphy wrote in the Christian Science Monitor last February 26, those phone records bolster Sali’s claim in a November 2002 TV interview that the Iraqi diplomat had offered these Muslim extremists Baghdad’s help with joint missions.

• The Weekly Standard’s intrepid reporter Stephen F. Hayes noted in the magazine’s July 11, 2003, issue that the official Babylon Daily Political Newspaper published by Hussein’s eldest son, Uday, had revealed a terrorist connection in what it called a “List of Honor†published a few months earlier.xx The paper’s November 14, 2002, edition gave the names and titles of 600 leading Iraqis and included the following passage: “Abid Al-Karim Muhamed Aswod, intelligence offi-cer responsible for the coordination of activities with the Osama bin Laden group at the Iraqi embassy in Pakistan.†That name, Hayes wrote, “matches that of Iraq’s then-ambassador to Islamabad.â€

Carter-appointed federal appeals judge Gilbert S. Merritt discovered this document in Baghdad while helping rebuild Iraq’s legal system. He wrote in the June 25 issue of the Tennessean that two of his Iraqi colleagues remember secret police agents removing that embarrassing edition from newsstands and confiscating copies of it from private homes. The paper was not published for the next 10 days. Judge Merritt theorized that the “impulsive and somewhat unbalanced†Uday may have showcased these dedicated Baathists to “make them more loyal and supportive of the regime†as war loomed.

Abu Musab al Zarqawi, formerly the director of an al Qaeda training base in Afghanistan, fled to Iraq after being injured as the Taliban fell. He received medical care and convalesced for two months in Baghdad. He then opened an Ansar al Islam terrorist training camp in northern Iraq and arranged the October 2002 assassination of U.S. diplomat Lawrence Foley in Amman, Jordan.

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A10 Pilot

 

[KCFlyer]

One more time: Hussein had WMD. He USED WMD. He supported terrorists. He had training camps in his country. He funneled money to terrorists. He had 17 UN Resolutions demanding he disarm and PROVE he disarmed. He refused. We (including ME) were being FIRED UPON by Iraqi forces on a regular basis during ONW and OSW patrols. He threated our troops. He supported terrorist attacks in Israel. He had the ability to transfer weaponry and toxins to terrorist organizations he sheltered that could wreak havoc in the US. What part of this do you not understand??????

It would behove you to lose the military mindset for once. The US is a very strong country. So was Russia. So it really is possible for the mighty to fall. When the US decided to go after Bin Laden and the Taliban, almost the ENTIRE WORLD was behind us...precisely because we were going after the ones responsible for terror on our shores. But Bushies policies are turning more and more countries AGAINST us...some of them quite powerful in their own right. And this "our way or the highway" attitude can end up biting the US in the ass.

Then we turn towards Iraq. We may have 30 countries "supporting" us (whether or not the non-military citizens of those countries support us is another thing).
but be honest now...you cited Poland, Italy, England, and Australia...who are the other 26? Belize? Sudan? Lichenstein? How many Arab countries are fighting side by side with our troops? Kuwait? Do they even HAVE an army? But that means that there are about 170 countries that DON'T support us. And this being World War III - I'd say we're sort of outnumbered there. What are the citizens (those are the ones not carrying or flying government issued weapons) of those countries feeling? How long can we count on the support of those governments if the people who put those governments in power send a message that they DON'T want to continue supporting the US?

North Korea could fire off a nuke at us. We haven't done anything to stop that possiblity. Hell, Brazil might provide safe haven for terrorists...should we bomb them to smithereens? Why do you cite UN resolutions since your commander in chief has pretty much decided that the US doesn't need the UN, nor does the US seem to care WHAT the UN thinks. But that wily old Saddam...Houdini would be proud of him - hiding all those weapons that he REFUSED to destroy (on the spineless UN orders). All King Georges horses and all King Georges men can't seem to locate those world threatening weapons of mass destruction. So we joke about them. Meanwhile, your brothers and sisters on the front lines die. Ha Ha Ha. That old George sure knows what humor is. I'm sure the families of dead servicemen are rolling on the floor laughing, thanking their leader for providing some bit of levity in their lives. GWB is disgusting. My sincerest hope for you A10 is that in January 2005, your commander in chief becomes Kerry. Don't worry, you'll still have a job. The real problem is that once we've gone in, we can't just leave...we're there for the long haul.

 

[A10Pilot]

Then we turn towards Iraq. We may have 30 countries "supporting" us (whether or not the non-military citizens of those countries support us is another thing).
but be honest now...you cited Poland, Italy, England, and Australia...who are the other 26

Full list of coalition countries:

Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.

Source: US State Department

North Korea could fire off a nuke at us. We haven't done anything to stop that possiblity. Hell, Brazil might provide safe haven for terrorists...should we bomb them to smithereens? Why do you cite UN resolutions since your commander in chief has pretty much decided that the US doesn't need the UN, nor does the US seem to care WHAT the UN thinks

We have been and continue to work with Asian countries to deal with the nuclear threat from Korea. We continue to have US troops stationed in Korea. Do you think we are ignoring them? Why make such ridiculous statements?

Another bright comment about Brazil. ".. bomb them into smithereens?"????? We made every effort NOT to bomb Iraq into "smithereens". But you are so blinded by hatred you ignored that. We used the most precise means possible to do the LEAST damage to the Iraqi infrastructure and to minimize collateral damage. More so than ANY nation has ever done. So keep your snide comments about bombing to 'smithereens' to yourself.

We are not facing threats from Brazil. We WERE facing threats from Iraq. Our troops were being fired upon. He had possession of WMD. He had used WMD on his own people. He harbored terrorists. He supplied terrorists with training and resources. He defied years and years of UN demands via Resolutions. None of these other countries you throw out so flippantly are congruent to this threat.

Our nation's security is not a handmaiden to UN approval. We are responsible for our own security and we will not wait for the French or any other psychophant nation to give us the ok to protect ourselves.

Despite this, we worked with the UN. We negotiated Resolution 1441(UN Resolution 1441). The 17th in a long list of toothless Resolutions from a body that can't enforce said Resolutions. This was the LAST CHANCE Resolution. It was made CLEAR that it was comply or face military action. He did NOT comply. He paid the price.

My sincerest hope for you A10 is that in January 2005, your commander in chief becomes Kerry.

I can guarantee every fighter pilot in my squadron would completely agree that this would be a national tragedy. In particular, as military members, we look at Kerry as the man who backstabbed his military brethren in the worst way, lending aid and comfort to the enemy in the midst of a horrendous fight.

No... not Fonda Kerry.... no way.


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Excerpt from the NC Times:

His gripe stems from Kerry's involvement in what was called the Winter Soldier Investigation in January 1971, by an organization called Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Other organizers included Jane Fonda, Dick Gregory, Phil Ochs, Graham Nash, David Crosby and lawyer-activist Mark Lane. For four days in Detroit, veterans told grisly tales of horror by U.S. troops in Vietnam, which ranged from using prisoners for target practice to burning villages and gang-raping women.

In 1970, Lane published a book in which men claiming to be Vietnam veterans told stories of committing atrocities and witnessing war crimes committed by their fellow soldiers. He likened Vietnam vets to Nazis. Many of these tales were absurd. Many slandered Vietnam vets.

However, New York Times reporters James Reston Jr. and Pulitzer Prize-winner Neil Sheehan and historian Guenter Lewy later wrote that many of the tales were false or exaggerated, that several of the men who testified had never been to Vietnam, and that the VVAW had told its loyalists not to assist investigations into the allegations of wrongdoing.

In April 1971, the VVAW staged a demonstration where several Vietnam vets threw their combat medals over the White House fence to protest a government that betrayed them. Kerry was among them. After he was elected, his medals appeared on his wall. He later admitted that the medals he threw over the fence were not his.
He never apologized for supporting the lies that slandered Vietnam vets or for the tossing of his fake medals. Thus, Williams echoes the sentiments of many Vietnam vets for Kerry: "May he rot in hell."

J. Stryker Meyer is a North County Times staff writer.

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Yeah... this is the guy we all want as our commander. :down:


A10 Pilot

 

[KCFlyer]

I can guarantee every fighter pilot in my squadron would completely agree that this would be a national tragedy. In particular, as military members, we look at Kerry as the man who backstabbed his military brethren in the worst way, lending aid and comfort to the enemy in the midst of a horrendous fight.

That's the beauty of living in a free country. I am free to actively do everything I can to get Kerry elected, and you are free to quit the military just as soon as your duty is up. BTW...What would your opinion be of a fellow squad members be of a member of your squad going AWOL in a time of war? Would you elect him president?

FYI - go to Yahoo...click on "countries" and count the number that aren't in the state department list. Compare that to the countries that DON'T support our invasion of Iraq. Hey...our "friends" in Saudi Arabia aren't on your list. Is that a misprint?

 

[A10Pilot]

That's the beauty of living in a free country. I am free to actively do everything I can to get Kerry elected, and you are free to quit the military just as soon as your duty is up. BTW...What would your opinion be of a fellow squad members be of a member of your squad going AWOL in a time of war? Would you elect him president?

FYI - go to Yahoo...click on "countries" and count the number that aren't in the state department list. Compare that to the countries that DON'T support our invasion of Iraq. Hey...our "friends" in Saudi Arabia aren't on your list. Is that a misprint?

You believe these left wing stories of a Bush "AWOL" from the Guard?
Give me a break. You and Michael Moore.

I do know Kerry betrayed his military brothers.

As far as countries not on the list - so what? How many countries were helping Clinton when he attacked in the Balkans? Were you complaining then?

The list is to show we do have worldwide support. You and others like you try to say we did this 'alone'. I say we didn't and the 30 nation list is proof. I also say that if we HAD to go it alone to protect American security SO BE IT.

You can throw your support on the side that appeases. You can feed crocs hoping they eat others and not you. You can bury your head in the sand until 100s of thousands of your fellow citizens lay dead in a nuclear blast or writhing from some bio toxin. That is your right.

I and others will stand up and fight for our freedom and security.

A10 Pilot

 

[mweiss]

Actually, it's worse than that, KC. With the exception of the UK, South Korea, and Turkey, the other countries on that list have sent token support to Iraq. Compare that to 1991, when even Egypt sent troops to fight the war.

Oh, by the way, Turkey's main interest in supplying troops is to annex Kurdistan.