duration of the TA. what length of time will change your vote?

I think 4 years would be more like it. Though five is preferable, or howabout amendable at 4 years depending on company profitablity?
 
I agree with you. But cynical as we are even if they had. We would all be saying they would be hiding any chance of profit to keep the lower wages for a year or two longer.

They played serious hardball on these concessions. I expect to play as serious a hand with them, when its payback in 09.