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F/A agreement, list the concessions

http://www.unitedafa.org/contract/negotiations/tentative/video/

Pay particular attention to what UA thinks of giving up your work rules for money.

For all you "I want the same as CO" Be careful for what you wish for.

If you're not educated you could end up giving up more than you want to.

It's not just the dollar amount.
 
You need to attend roadshows, ask questions and make a decision that is right for you. I've been flying for many years and quite frankly, if you want all these "industry standard" benefits, then start looking and acting like you deserve it. Most of our f/as look like they just rolled out of bed, and are rude to the customers and to each other. It's a joke....and "I want $60.00 an hour". Step up and give the impression that you deserve it!!!...and remember............there are no locks on the doors........ feel free to leave at anytime! And the AW f/as complaining that they have to pay for healthcare..........get real and educate yourselves about the real world...........all the whining and complaining...........go out in the "real world" because flying 40hrs a month and getting full time benefits is unheard of anywhere else in this country. How about being more concerned about people that have taken 9 months of voluntary leaves, worked 11 days in the past year and get the same benefits as you and I who bust ourselves....that would be more important on my list of concerns!!
Well said .
 
MM is a nut job pilot who can't get his own house in order - by far.

MM is the village idiot.

MM=Mental Miidget

MM!
Nice talk!, Because my opinion differs from yours?, my household will vote the way we see fit, good luck with your vote, as for your comments , maybe you should look in the mirror, My house is in order this is just a job it isn't my life!
 
You need to attend roadshows, ask questions and make a decision that is right for you. I've been flying for many years and quite frankly, if you want all these "industry standard" benefits, then start looking and acting like you deserve it. Most of our f/as look like they just rolled out of bed, and are rude to the customers and to each other. It's a joke....and "I want $60.00 an hour". Step up and give the impression that you deserve it!!!...and remember............there are no locks on the doors........ feel free to leave at anytime! And the AW f/as complaining that they have to pay for healthcare..........get real and educate yourselves about the real world...........all the whining and complaining...........go out in the "real world" because flying 40hrs a month and getting full time benefits is unheard of anywhere else in this country. How about being more concerned about people that have taken 9 months of voluntary leaves, worked 11 days in the past year and get the same benefits as you and I who bust ourselves....that would be more important on my list of concerns!!

Amen! I encourage everyone to attend the roadshows and educate themselves, and then vote the way they feel is best for them. But at least make your vote an INFORMED one and not one based on rumors. And for those of you who want to return to pre-9/11 wages and benefits, what world do you live in?? It just ain't gonna happen. Ever.
 
You need to attend roadshows, ask questions and make a decision that is right for you. I've been flying for many years and quite frankly, if you want all these "industry standard" benefits, then start looking and acting like you deserve it. Most of our f/as look like they just rolled out of bed, and are rude to the customers and to each other. It's a joke....and "I want $60.00 an hour". Step up and give the impression that you deserve it!!!...and remember............there are no locks on the doors........ feel free to leave at anytime! And the AW f/as complaining that they have to pay for healthcare..........get real and educate yourselves about the real world...........all the whining and complaining...........go out in the "real world" because flying 40hrs a month and getting full time benefits is unheard of anywhere else in this country. How about being more concerned about people that have taken 9 months of voluntary leaves, worked 11 days in the past year and get the same benefits as you and I who bust ourselves....that would be more important on my list of concerns!!


Really? Is it a fact that "Most of our f/a s look like they just rolled out of bed and are rude to the customers and each other?" I have heretofore been unaware of this startling statistic. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, because I must exist in a magical parallel universe where co-workers are generally cordial and cooperative with one another and passengers, and expected grooming standards are met or exceeded. There are, of course, always notable exceptions, a small minority, I thought--I didn't know it was actually the majority of our workforce who are slovenly, surly and quarrelsome! Why, knowing that, a person could easily become a misanthrope. I'm certain that's not the case with you, though, you're just trying to enlighten everyone. Okay, so what we need to do in order to eventually enjoy a living wage is to "start looking and acting like [we] deserve it?" and "Step up and give the impression that [we] deserve it?" This is where I need clarification. Specifics, because I'm ready to start earning the kind of largesse (undeserved now, of course, but you're going to tell me how to change all that!), anyway, I want to be worthy of being paid enough to go to the grocery store any time I feel like it, not just the day after the pittance is direct-deposited into my checking account, and I'd love to buy a new coat or go out to dinner without the crushing guilt of adding to my mounting credit card debt. I've been flying for many years, too, thirteen on the reserve system, and most of that with no respect for my seniority, and for the last seven years, I have been engaged in an existential internal debate about "hanging in there," as the kitten barely clinging to the tree branch in the popular 70s era poster would cheerfully exhort, versus cutting my losses and seeking other employment, because, clearly, conditions aren't likely to improve much. (To be fair, I have been entertaining one kind or another of existential internal debate since I was about four-years-old, but this one has been especially persistent and angst-ridden). Lately, I was coming down on the side of enduring until I could examine the richly-deserved improved conditions bound to be brought forth by a new contract, but, to my chagrin, I see none of that in the hazy, concessionary parlance of the recently proffered tentative agreement. The reserve section alone is enough for my nay, even if I'm never forced to work under it, and the pay (top-out in four-and-a-half years, what will the prices of gas and groceries be then?) amounts to The Man's middle finger in my face. I don't have to "educate myself" or "ask questions" about any of that hooey. I won't be attending any tentative agreement Q & A congresses because, for me, the number of deal-breakers contained in just the reserve and compensation sections is enough reason to reject it. Back to the point at hand, though. Please give me detailed instructions on how to "step up" and behave as if I deserve a decent contract.
 
I've been flying for many years and quite frankly, if you want all these "industry standard" benefits, then start looking and acting like you deserve it. Most of our f/as look like they just rolled out of bed, and are rude to the customers and to each other.

I'm sorry but I have to respond to the above portion of the post.

I was a CP for nearly 10 years and I respectfully disagree with your portrayal of F/A's as being unkempt and rude. In my experience it was the front line staff in general and F/A's in particular that kept me loyal. It certainly wasn't all that scary talent at CCY or in Tempe that keeps me around.

What I will say in regard to your co workers and rudeness. The vast vast majority are terrific, however if you do get a rude one there are none ruder in any customer facing job anywhere. I can think of 2 in particular, one East and one West as it turns out. 2 in 10 years of 100+ flights per year? Beyond acceptable in my book. IMO while there are many things about US Airways I do not like, the professionalism of the Flight Attendants is not among them.
 
Amen! I encourage everyone to attend the roadshows and educate themselves, and then vote the way they feel is best for them. But at least make your vote an INFORMED one and not one based on rumors. And for those of you who want to return to pre-9/11 wages and benefits, what world do you live in?? It just ain't gonna happen. Ever.
So settle for less and vote yes. We deserve better than this after giving up 40%. Did you know post 9/11 salaries for VPs and Executives are up over 306%? Why is that fair?
 
Amen! I encourage everyone to attend the roadshows and educate themselves, and then vote the way they feel is best for them. But at least make your vote an INFORMED one and not one based on rumors. And for those of you who want to return to pre-9/11 wages and benefits, what world do you live in?? It just ain't gonna happen. Ever.
So settle for less and vote yes. We deserve better than this after giving up 40%. Did you know post 9/11 salaries for VPs and Executives are up over 306%? Why is that fair?
 
PHl70 Update:
February 11, 2012

"I AM NOT PREPARED TO TELL YOU THAT THERE WILL BE AN IMMEDIATE RETURN TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE IF THIS TENTATIVE AGREEMENT IS NOT RATIFIED."

Terry Graf

(Caps are mine.)
 
PHl70 Update:
February 11, 2012

"I AM NOT PREPARED TO TELL YOU THAT THERE WILL BE AN IMMEDIATE RETURN TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE IF THIS TENTATIVE AGREEMENT IS NOT RATIFIED."

Terry Graf

(Caps are mine.)

and after reading the whole T/A I would rather work under the known that we have (the current piece of crap contract) than this new offer from the company that I consider insulting. They can take as long as they want getting back to the table. It's a no vote from me.
 
PHl70 Update:
February 11, 2012

"I AM NOT PREPARED TO TELL YOU THAT THERE WILL BE AN IMMEDIATE RETURN TO THE NEGOTIATING TABLE IF THIS TENTATIVE AGREEMENT IS NOT RATIFIED."

Terry Graf

(Caps are mine.)

That's probably an accurate statement. However made at this juncture it reads like a veiled threat to this observer.
 

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