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F/A agreement, list the concessions

USA320Pilot said:
Why will F/A's vote for the new contract? Because it's industry leading or near industry leading, the time value of money, people getting older, inflation, and scope protections. If it fails what would AFA do next?

When the company does a side by side industry comparison in front of the NMB what will the mediator do? Release the parties with a democratic administration? Attempt to force US Airways to give up more from a company who had a scant $100 million 2011 profit with energy prices on the way up?

The vote won't effect me either way, but I believe the AFA will be convincing at the road shows because it's not 2000 it's 2012. People are tough guys on the line and they never vote "yes", but at the end of the month when they're looking at their checking account balance "no" votes often become "yes" votes. And, if it's so bad around here why have people not quit and continue to fly at US Airways? Management understands this too...
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I know this isn't a pilot issue and that we have been asked to stay out of it but I believe this debate is beneficial regardless of who you are. With that in mind I will have to disagree with you here. This TA isn't even close to industry leading. It's a rearrangement of the deck chairs. One good example is (for west FA's): you put a raise in their left hand only to increase their health insurance costs into their right hand. For that great "improvement" they get to lose a week of vacation and for the vacation days they have left they lose .5 hr. per day. This is just the beginning. I hope they read every paragraph of the proposal and make a truly educated decision as I believe the originator of this thread has begun to do.
 
usfliboi said:
LOL You do live in a fantasy world! I am based in CLT so there goes possiblity number 1....25 years I might add...been there seen it so you have nothing on me other than dreams of lolly pops for free! Vote no for your self and make it feel allll better...KK?
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Good for you, my live-in girlfriend who is also based in CLT, a 32 year F/A says " GOOD LUCK WITH THAT" ! MM!
 
Remember A320 wrote an OP-ED piece for the Observer bashing all the unions on the property and was chastised by ALPA for doing so.

He needs to stay out of other union's business, since he is a company cheerleader.

I am trying to find the piece, but I am having a hard time, I will post it when I find it.
 
This is who your dealing with:

From the July 26, 2002 Charlotte Observer:

UNIONS CAN SINK US AIRWAYS WITHOUT AGREEMENTS FROM ALL ITS UNIONS, AIRLINE'S FUTURE IS BLEAK

In recent days US Airways has made much progress toward ensuring that it will have a future. It has reached tentative contract restructuring agreements with its pilots, flight attendants and the Transport Workers Union, which represents the dispatchers, simulator engineers and flight crew training instructors, and with subsidiary PSA Airlines' pilots and flight attendants.

The International Association of Machinists (IAM) unit representing mechanics is close to a deal, and the IAM Fleet Service negotiators are making good progress.

But that's not enough.

The Communication Workers of America (CWA), which represents customer service and reservation agents, remains far from agreement with the company. US Airways is on the brink of court-ordered bankruptcy because its situation is "unsustainable." Failure to improve the situation will have devastating effects on employees, customers and companies that depend on US Airways.

The airline has received a "conditional" federal loan guarantee approval, but can't use those funds unless it gets restructuring agreements with all labor groups, in accordance with the business plan submitted to the Air Transportation Stabilization Board (ATSB).

Needed for loan guarantees

Major obstacles remain in the way of a voluntary restructuring.

US Airways may not be able to reach agreements with lenders without tentative agreements with the remaining unions. Unless it has those agreements the company wouldn't get final ATSB loan guarantee approval, government sources believe.

How bad is the situation? The carrier continues to burn cash during what is historically the best-performing time of year. Ten months after Sept. 11, US Airways has not resolved its cost problems, the economy remains sluggish, revenue is off 20 percent and low-cost competitors are aggressively
attacking its market share. The industry has not recovered as expected. Domestic fares are at 15-year lows. Shifts in buying patterns and travel options indicate airlines may never get the revenue per available seat mile they previously enjoyed.

Disturbing reports

US Airways needs restructuring agreements for either a voluntary restructuring or successful bankruptcy reorganization. If the company gets union concessions and qualifies for government financing, then if it's forced into bankruptcy, it probably could get in and out of bankruptcy quickly.

What's disturbing are reports that the CWA leadership is misleading its members. Last Friday, company negotiators asked the union to meet, to try and resolve their differences. The union said its negotiators couldn't meet, but its advisers would be available. However, I'm told that when management tried to schedule a meeting, they were told the advisers had other commitments. Meanwhile, the CWA issued a report telling its members the company met with the advisers last weekend - which management disputes.

Brinkmanship by any union could push the airline into bankruptcy. It's disappointing to see a relatively small group of employees risk the destruction of a viable company, with a devastating effect on 40,000 employees and their families.

No one can be sure what will happen in bankruptcy, but it's certain that if the company reorganizes and successfully comes out of bankruptcy, the labor groups that don't have tentative agreements with the company prior to bankruptcy will lose.

As in other union negotiations, the parties that reach savings targeted in the business plan will get a bankruptcy protection letter, which protects against even deeper salary and benefit cuts if the company enters bankruptcy.

Some may face pay cuts

If the company files for bankruptcy, workers in labor groups without that bankruptcy protection letter may face deep cuts in pay and benefits, loss of unused sick and vacation time, slashed retirement benefits and a crash in the value of common stock in 401(k) accounts. In addition, they'll work for a smaller airline that will hand out layoff notices at once with no severance pay, and will pay members of unprotected unions significantly less.

Each day the company moves nearer bankruptcy. New chief executive officer David Siegel has brought a breath of fresh air to management. US Airways' best chance to survive is for unions and creditors to bet on him and his team. Employees wanting to keep their jobs must impress upon union rank-and-file employees the importance of ordering union leaders back to the bargaining table at once, to reach an agreement that is 85 percent of the targeted concessions.

The choice is simple: Either all stakeholders move past their anger,frustration and denial to obtain and ratify restructuring agreements, or the carrier will almost certainly enter bankruptcy.

History has shown only two major airlines have successfully restructured in bankruptcy - not good odds for this company to continue operation.

XXXX XXXX is a US Airways captain
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700UW said:
Remember A320 wrote an OP-ED piece for the Observer bashing all the unions on the property and was chastised by ALPA for doing so.

He needs to stay out of other union's business, since he is a company cheerleader.

I am trying to find the piece, but I am having a hard time, I will post it when I find it.
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Last I heard freedom of speech is the freedom to speak freely. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

The right to freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the ICCPR states that "[e]veryone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice"
 
Actually Freedom of Speech only applies to the Government restricting your speech, a company can and will restrict your speech. Why did you change your screen name to USA320Pilot from your old screen name?

And the last time I checked what your quoting is not US law, so try again. Nice cut and paste from Wiki.

And your so called protected expression got you fired, guess you forgot that fact.
 
700UW said:
Actually Freedom of Speech only applies to the Government restricting your speech, a company can and will restrict your speech. Why did you change your screen name to USA320Pilot from your old screen name?

And the last time I checked what your quoting is not US law, so try again.

And your so called protected expression got you fired, guess you forgot that fact.
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What purpose do you serve? You never are consistent with anything you say other than being negative or "quoting facts" that fit your views. Do you understand how irrelevent your posts are other than to inflame or take an oppisite view of anyone anytime? Mr C seems to have more intelligence in one of his fingers than you express on this site? Im I wrong? You seem so bitter and angry or do you just enjoy seeing people get P~O'd at you? Either way its very sad someone can be so depressed as you seem to be only to try and make your self feel better by insulting others. SIC OF IT ! Please seek help! As a co worker I am concerned for you!
 
Wow, put the crack pipe down, lol!

And I will put my education and credentials up against him anytime.

He does nothing but cause in-fighting, where I actually helped my members.

My union didnt put out a press release disavowing me, unlike him, which ALPA did.

I guess you dont proofread your posts, lol, this might help you:

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700UW said:
Wow, put the crack pipe down, lol!

And I will put my education and credentials up against him anytime.

He does nothing but cause in-fighting, where I actually helped my members.

My union didnt put out a press release disavowing me, unlike him, which ALPA did.

I guess you dont proofread your posts, lol, this might help you:

Free Help
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When you are given the facts you choose to repeatedly look the other way and believe what you want. There were many in ALPA who agreed with my post. Furthermore, ALPA issued their statement because they were pressured by the IAM; otherwise, the statement would not have been issued. You have been told that but conveniently left out that information. Furthermore, I never left this property or the payroll. Maybe you should get your facts straight and stop insulting people who disagree with you, which I believe is immature.

As far as this thread I was asked a question and I answered that question. And, each F/A has the right to vote the way they desire, which I support. Furthermore, I believe because of the RLA unions serve a purpose in the airline industry, but often unions can be an impediment to everybody moving forward.

What I do object to is the desire of unions to create a toxic culture to further their special interests and then point the finger at management where hardline union members play the part of a victim.

Brad Hall's Op/Ed column published in TheStreet.com titled "What's Wrong With U.S. Airlines" is accurate. One point Hall discussed was “Unions have crippled the airline industry.” Hall noted, “This hypothesis has legs. Think of great organizations like Nordstrom or Disneyland. When you walk through the door, you viscerally feel a service-obsessed culture. Nearly all major U.S. carriers are unionized. Unions can survive only if there is conflict between managers and non-managers -- if the culture is toxic. Increasing toxicity is the lifeblood of unions. The Association of Flight Attendants is the world's largest flight attendant union. Its trademarked rallying cry is CHAOS (Create Havoc Around Our System).”

When I read Hall’s comment it struck me dead center that this is the main reason anti-union hardline leadership groups have formed is the problem that exists within USAPA today. I do not want to move this topic into the pilot's problem, but the pilot's problem is affecting everybody at US Airways and typifies labor leader dysfunction.

Hardline labor leaders use demagoguery as a strategy for gaining political power by appealing to the prejudices, emotions, fears, vanities, and expectations of the public-typically via impassioned rhetoric and propaganda, and often using nationalist, populist or religious themes. These people and their supporters misrepresent information, mislead people, post sentence fragments instead of the whole story, take unilateral actions without the entire union leadership’s knowledge, break promises, violate contracts, and insult those who disagree with them, which I believe creates a toxic pilot group culture.

Personally, I have a great disdain for people who intentionally create a toxic culture so their positions can thrive, which hurts everybody but those who want to exploit power.

I believe US Airways' employees may be at a crossroads where employees can capitalize on M&A activity to recover much of what they lost during bankruptcy. And, for the AFA in their next merger may use the McCaskill-Bond amendment for their seniority list integration, which is just one more very, very important point they may want to consider when deciding whether or not they want to vote "yes" for their new contract.
 
USA320Pilot said:
When you are given the facts you choose to repeatedly look the other way and believe what you want.

As far as this thread I was asked a question and I answered that question. And, each F/A has the right to vote the way they desire, which I support. Furthermore, I believe because of the RLA unions serve a purpose in the airline industry, but often unions can be an impediment to everybody moving forward.

What I do object to is the desire of unions to create a toxic culture to further their special interests and then point the finger at management where hardline union members play the part of a victim.

Personally, I have a great disdain for people who intentionally create a toxic culture so their positions can thrive, which hurts everybody but those who want to exploit power.

I believe US Airways' employees may be at a crossroads where employees can capitalize on M&A activity to recover much of what they lost during bankruptcy.
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Like "UNBIASED FACTS" are you on crack? Personally," I have a great disdain for people who intentionally create a toxic culture so their positions can thrive" ? Hello , bancruptcy recovery, not with this(F/A) contract! Put down the crackpipe! And how is that UNITED merger going for us?
 
Everyone know you were terminated and USAPA got you your job back, wow, no who is not telling the truth?

You ran for election two times in LGA and never won.

ALPA wouldnt do anything to help the IAM, your actions in 92 showed us.

ALPA disowned you all on their own.

Mr UCT/ICT and how many other acronyms you said was going to happen when the CEOs and Executives flew on your jump seat and they told you Secret Insider Information, funny none of them ever happened.

And how about you being mr cheerleader for the company against the IAM and told everyone here how we would lose the Airbus Arbitration, yet once again you were wrong and we won.

Shall I keep going?

Make sure you check out the rumor control page, lol!

Lookie here everyone
 
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