Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[dca319]

Luv has been quiet lately because he's involved with Hummel's recall effort. Secret documents of Hummel conspiring with the APA are now in the opposition's hands.

 

[Beancounter]

Really? Seems to me that they would rather have the, on average, older US pilots ahead of them. But I don't know anyone involved with the APA. Did have one AA jumpseat rider tell me that. So now you know how the APA thinks on everything?

Which is it? Did we gain crew meals with our new JCBA or did you lose them?

They may not want younger pilots above them, but that doesnt matter if there is already an arbitrated list.
Bean

 

[nevergiveup]

Wrong.

What we have is the Nic as the only accepted system seniority list at LCC.

We are not at step 1...we are at step 2..that is where a scab union tries to RE-negotiate an already accepted list in direct violation of the TA contract it had inherited and as a failure of it's DFr to 1/3rd of the pilots it has an obligation to represent.

Still trying to find the nic list on wings. If it is truly the accepted list as you say, then it should be there.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Still trying to find the nic list on wings. If it is truly the accepted list as you say, then it should be there.

Are you seriously trying to suggest the Nicolau Award wasn't accepted by Management in 2007? Feigning ignorance is not becoming of someone who wants their views to be taken seriously.

 

[Graceson]

It depends on how the MOU is worded as to whether or not it constitutes a contract. I believe the wording in our MOU makes it very clear that it is not a contract, and that was the intent.

A conditional agreement with event trigers, if satisfied, will override previous contract/agreements as it provides the framework for a new single contract. If event triggers not satisfied - then business as usual.

 

[snapthis]

They may not want younger pilots above them, but that doesnt matter if there is already an arbitrated list.
Bean

I flew with a 27-year old Boeing Captain in the early 90's. Competent and skilled. There is only one group of pilots that keep bringing up DOB. Good for the pilot I mentioned, his timing was good and he was able to upgrade rapidly. Good thing he did not choose a dead-end career at a dying airline.

 

[Pi brat]

Reading comprehension problem? From an eastie? I can't believe it!

How's that? Clear it up for me AW, instead of just throwing insults. Let's see that intellectual power that you've kept hidden all this time.

 

[Pi brat]

I flew with a 27-year old Boeing Captain in the early 90's. Competent and skilled. There is only one group of pilots that keep bringing up DOB. Good for the pilot I mentioned, his timing was good and he was able to upgrade rapidly. Good thing he did not choose a dead-end career at a dying airline.

He wasn't an AWA pilot then, huh?

The only person I've seen bring up DOB recently has been prechilli.

 

[Pi brat]

They may not want younger pilots above them, but that doesnt matter if there is already an arbitrated list.
Bean

Agreed, but that wasn't my point. My point what that pre tends to miss obvious logic and cannot know what all, or even the majority of AA pilots think or want.

 

[Pi brat]

It seems those entities are not going to be an issue - that is if you believe all the pundits. And the way the previous mergers went through and the lack of overlap. I don't see any hold ups.

Oh, I think it will go through, you just cannot know. And if it doesn't then we do not have a JCBA, we are back to status quo, waiting on the 9ths appeal while enjoying LOA 93 and separate ops.

 

[Pi brat]

Oh, and res, if the MOU puts us on a JCBA then why does it call for negotiating a.......JCBA?

 

[snapthis]

He wasn't an AWA pilot then, huh?

The only person I've seen bring up DOB recently has been prechilli.

I figured you would not bring up DOB being a factor when getting an airline job being a 20 something.

There should not be a problem with that person being a Captain if offered an upgrade less than two years of employment with that company. Starting with a start-up has it advantages.

 

[nevergiveup]

The biggest mistake the west made was voting for the MOU. With a loud, "No," they would still have a good argument even if it had passed.

 

[Graceson]

Wrong.

What we have is the Nic as the only accepted system seniority list at LCC.

We are not at step 1...we are at step 2..that is where a scab union tries to RE-negotiate an already accepted list in direct violation of the TA contract it had inherited and as a failure of it's DFr to 1/3rd of the pilots it has an obligation to represent.

I agree, a list (NIC) was accepted by the company from a bargaining agent as part of the process. Absent membership ratification, no list is effective nor active at current. Reason -intervening sorted court processes. Per the 9th, ratification must preceed a legal remedy if necessary. So, absent a merger, we are still awaiting the ratification phase. Then there will be a legal determination of the effective list. Absent a merger, there is no derived list until all phases are first completed in sequence. With a merger, MB extracts member ratification as part of the process in a derived SLI.

 

[EastUS1]

You sound angry Colonel.

Best stick to your day job. Analysis of any kind's clearly not your forte. If the latest, earth-shaking event you were so excited and eager to see posted by "Any of you west pilots" is merely the standard threat of AOL litigation...well....I'll have to go with wryly amused here. 😉

As your furious flourishing of pom poms for the Holy Grail of St. Nic continues: Are you finally ready to drop the preposterous, lying BS about your supposedly being a long time "east" pilot? As many out west imagine themselves psuedo attorneys; I can only assume that you're aware of the legal presumption of a witness caught lying as being False in One = False in All?

Seriously; how many "Integrity Matters" T-shirts do you need to first don before facing any mirror(s)?