Feb / Mar 2013 US Pilots Labor Discussion

[cleardirect]

Spinning again, eh?

The age 60 rule change had a big impact on your theory.

Accept the NIC...naw.
breeze

Always an excuse for breaking the deal. So if the west had accepted a 7 years fence you wanted another 5 years with the age 60 change?

No thanks.

Time to pay your bill.

 

[EastUS1]

Time to pay your bill.

Yes indeed. The whole world "owes" you something, each and every day of your "special" little life, doesn't it kid?

 

[mrbreeze]

Always an excuse for breaking the deal. So if the west had accepted a 7 years fence you wanted another 5 years with the age 60 change?

No thanks.

Time to pay your bill.

I think I have made it pretty obvious that I don't owe you squat. Maybe you should sue St Nic.....he is the one that told you that you won a bogus lottery ticket. None of us made you any promises.

Now, if the West had agreed to a 7 year fence, that would be a different story, but no, you missed that opportunity due to your instant gratification type of greed.

breeze

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Tis all behind us now!

Agreed. And it will all truly be behind "us" when you decide to quit creating revisionist history. I will be standing by, and silent if you choose to do just that.

Best,

Greeter

 

[Walmartgreeter]

Boom there it is.

The east tells the west the BS line if you would have only given the east a little bit. Not much it would have all been OK.

Well boys you have had an 8 years solid fence. You got all your upgrades, all your attrition, all the 190's, all the 757 and all the additional 330. The east told the west that if you just had 5-7 years we would inherit the airline just give it to you now wait in line and all will be good.

OK you have had your 8 years fence. Ready to hand over the airline like you promised? You had your fence ready to accept the Nicolau now?

No! Shocking east pilots lied again/ Backed out of the deal again.

So you had your 8 year fence but now you want to continue with your dream list of DOH. Not only that but you also want the APA pilot to give you another 5-10 year fence and have them wait to inherit the airline.

Soory boys your word has about as much value as Doug Parker. Worthless.

You have had your fence it is time to pay up.

Clear. Such anger! You should be rejoicing. The NIC is it! The Company will be publishing a NIC seniority list on Monday. Judge Conrad will be dropping the injunction. The Company will be presenting the NIC at the table at M/B (ignoring their promise in the MOU) and damage moneys will flowing to every West pilot. It's about time. Be happy. I am.

Greeter

 

[cleardirect]

Pay up how? What is it that you want...I mean really? When this started, you were all satisfied to live out your careers in PHX merrily flying your trips. What do you want now? We had no value...remember that? We were the leaches...remember that? We needed saving...remember that? So what is it today that is different...what has value on our side that makes you want it? If what we brought to the table had no value then, then it has none now. Save yourselves! Put a fence around PHX and keep it.

The airline merged. Things change. What I want is what we agreed to. The Nicolau and however the airline operates from there.

Just like the next merger. Same opportunity as even pilot on the property.

 

[snapthis]

No problem. I've found them to be clinically interesting, to say the least.

"Eric's a talented Spartan spokesman." I agree. He'd be useful as a clown for very young kids' birthday parties...well..with the assumption of adult supervision present as well, of course. If you're his agent; post a pic of him in full and proper clown costume. I'd have to insist on that, since showing up as a "Spartan" might frighten any children of 5 years and under. What are his rates for an appearance?

We have one thing that you will never have and that is unity. I applaud the "clown" for making Usapians look like the fools they are. It's funny, you tools claim victory when you have clearly, make that Cleary, defeated by Spartans , Westicles or whoever. US Airways is done, USAPA is done and there will soon be a for rent sign on Woodlawn.

Buh-bye, no more SPAM or junk mail from Charlotte.

 

[A320 Driver]

The airline merged. Things change. What I want is what we agreed to. The Nicolau and however the airline operates from there.

Just like the next merger. Same opportunity as even pilot on the property.

Things changed alright. We had one hell of a lot a value. More than you or NIC said we had. Your smug attitude is telling. Thanks for demanding we not have parity 7 years ago. You are paid in full.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

The airline merged. Things change. What I want is what we agreed to. The Nicolau and however the airline operates from there.

Just like the next merger. Same opportunity as even pilot on the property.

The airline NEVER merged. You have no claim to that. I still cannot bid PHX. You cannot bid CLT. You cannot have anything agreed to in a merger that never happened, any more than the lawn guys that never showed up to cut my grass get paid. New lawn service in town. New rules.

You said "things change." I agree.

Greeter

 

[Walmartgreeter]

We have one thing that you will never have and that is unity. I applaud the "clown" for making Usapians look like the fools they are. It's funny, you tools claim victory when you have clearly, make that Cleary, defeated by Spartans , Westicles or whoever. US Airways is done, USAPA is done and there will soon be a for rent sign on Woodlawn.

Buh-bye, no more SPAM or junk mail from Charlotte.

Even the guys in cell block C at San Quentin have "unity." Hey, show the “man” who is boss every day. Right.

The "for rent" sign will indeed go up on Woodlawn, eventually. Your dues obligations will hopefully go down, but any past due moneys will still be collected in full. Ask crazy Suzi how that works.

The unions will merge just like the airlines. And I think you will even get a vote on that (if you are paid up and still receive the junk mail that tells you how to vote.)

This is not rocket science. Your (PHX) influence on this entire affair is really only your three reps. Not the legal system.

Greeter

 

[mrbreeze]

This is not rocket science. Your (PHX) influence on this entire affair is really only your three reps. Not the legal system.

Greeter

Excellent point!

 

[Res Judicata]

The airline NEVER merged. You have no claim to that. I still cannot bid PHX. You cannot bid CLT. You cannot have anything agreed to in a merger that never happened, any more than the lawn guys that never showed up to cut my grass get paid. New lawn service in town. New rules.

You said "things change." I agree.

Greeter

You're out of your FKING mind. Single carrier status? Sound familiar? Let me guess...you want a "do over" on that one too? The bell tolls for thee Scab.

 

[cleardirect]

The airline NEVER merged. You have no claim to that. I still cannot bid PHX. You cannot bid CLT. You cannot have anything agreed to in a merger that never happened, any more than the lawn guys that never showed up to cut my grass get paid. New lawn service in town. New rules.

You said "things change." I agree.

Greeter

The airline never merged?

Better talk to the FAA, NMB, the mechanics since they are working on the same contract and airplanes. The gate agents the accounting people.

I believe that you and I use the exact same procedures and get the same training. Lyle Hogg is the VP of flght ops for my airline. Who is your VP of flight ops?

If we never merged usapa had no right to represent me and I want a compete refund of the extortion money they took from the west.

Yes this airline merged. the only thing that did not happen was east pilots pulling your heads out of your backsides and getting a contract.

 

[Walmartgreeter]

You're out of your FKING mind. Single carrier status? Sound familiar? Let me guess...you want a "do over" on that one too? The bell tolls for thee Scab.

..

Maybe you should have a talk with the FAA in PIT about the status of certificates...U and AWA. Something is amiss.

Maybe you should have a talk with the NMB about what "single carrier status" really means, absent a combined seniority list. Hint, it has nothing to do with operations and everything to do with representation.

We only have one scab on our property. And I am not in that group. In fact, you can call UAL and ask them about my participation in one of the last real airline work actions in the last 29 years. But I guess they will have no record of any "walmartgreeter."

Greeter

 

[cleardirect]

I think I have made it pretty obvious that I don't owe you squat. Maybe you should sue St Nic.....he is the one that told you that you won a bogus lottery ticket. None of us made you any promises.

Now, if the West had agreed to a 7 year fence, that would be a different story, but no, you missed that opportunity due to your instant gratification type of greed.

breeze

How is it that you can get every single fact wrong in one post?

Nicolau did not say his award was a lottery ticket.

Your legal representatives made promises. That legal bound you to those agreements.

How would anything be different today if we had agreed to fences 7 years ago or you steal a 7 year fence through force? You have had your fences it is time for that to stop. You guys said all you wanted were 7 years fences you got it. But now you want even more time. Never enough for you east pilots. Never live up to your deals. Make a deal break a deal that is your motto.

Could it be that you want a 7 years fence but would never agree to the Nicolau anyway? that you wanted 7 years fences then DOH? Gee let me think about that deal at Wye river. Umm NO!

The bill for 7 years is coming due.