First Eastern Winter Storm of Season

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Most likely not. You and the merry band of fleas from the desert don't seemed to have learned that skill set.

Here is tip for you. This man began his career before most of the kids from the west were a twinkle in your moms eye. You would do well to listen and learn....

l4pi

Maybe you can keep your insults to yourself! And I am not from the west pal. Get a clue.

Time to turn over the snow

 

[VAflyGal]

I've been sick for a few days now and, as a reserve, am glad I don't have to deal with the weather mayhem on top of the holiday chaos.

I wish, WISH, a scheduler would google my area and tell me it was fine to go to work if ii felt it was unsafe to get there. I know we all have jobs to do but safety first, please.

And I don't wanna hear a peep from the people who bask in west coast flying and haven't had the experiences of the Northeast weather disasters that so many of us on this coast have had. Great move closing LGA and BOS.

Some of you need to stop hatin' on Jim. It might behoove you to learn a little bit.

Fly safe, those of you who are out there. Keep your contract handy and don't go over 15 hours!!!

 

[autofixer]

The problem with putting employees in hotels is that it is not contractually allowed in most cases . Pilot wise, you would have to TDY them and that is a bid position as there is no provision for On Premise Reserves. Now, you could ask them to voluteer to go to the hotels, however, most East pilots would tell management to go and pound sand.

Another reason that we are out of pilots is the company front loaded the schedule to protect Christmas. It seems all of the Reserve vacation and Involatable days were in the first 15 days of the month. We have been short all month due to this as there have been an unusually few amount of reserves available. It is management's fault.

 

[longing4piedmont]

Maybe you can keep your insults to yourself! And I am not from the west pal. Get a clue.

Time to turn over the snow

Wow, that is even worse. At least the kids and can use the excuse of youth...........

 

[Phoenix]

So now snow = bad LCC management. OMG you all are a miserable bunch of whiners.

I would never work for a boss or management team I hated as much as you seem to hate yours. Do yourselves and the world a favor and leave if things are that bad. You and LCC's customers will be much happier.

Leave?

Thats like some knucklehead coming from Zimbabwe and telling us to leave because we don't like the way he is acting as president. Leave is the right answer, you just got it backwards, bro. Merry Christmas. 😀

 

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The problem with putting employees in hotels is that it is not contractually allowed in most cases . Pilot wise, you would have to TDY them and that is a bid position as there is no provision for On Premise Reserves. Now, you could ask them to voluteer to go to the hotels, however, most East pilots would tell management to go and pound sand.

Another reason that we are out of pilots is the company front loaded the schedule to protect Christmas. It seems all of the Reserve vacation and Involatable days were in the first 15 days of the month. We have been short all month due to this as there have been an unusually few amount of reserves available. It is management's fault.

Great post!!! Somebody who gets it!

 

[Bear96]

Leave?

Thats like some knucklehead coming from Zimbabwe and telling us to leave because we don't like the way he is acting as president. Leave is the right answer, you just got it backwards, bro. Merry Christmas. 😀

How so?

Within the last year I left an employment situation that was not working for me, and am now much happier with another employer. (And I got a pay raise to boot.)

Plus, I did it without spending endless hours spewing drama about my former employer on an internet discussion board. Instead, I used that time to find a better situation.

 

[VAflyGal]

How so?

Within the last year I left an employment situation that was not working for me, and am now much happier with another employer. (And I got a pay raise to boot.)

Plus, I did it without spending endless hours spewing drama about my former employer on an internet discussion board. Instead, I used that time to find a better situation.

Lucky you.
Do you watch the news? Are you aware of the unemployment rate in this country?

I don't think it's too much to ask for some proper planning and leadership from management during this storm, or on any other day.

 

[Poug Darker]

How so?

Within the last year I left an employment situation that was not working for me, and am now much happier with another employer. (And I got a pay raise to boot.)

Plus, I did it without spending endless hours spewing drama about my former employer on an internet discussion board. Instead, I used that time to find a better situation.

Must not be in the airline industry, specifically labor. If cabin crew personell want to make a 'lateral move', they must start at the bottom again. Only switching careers (and starting at the bottom again) is an answer. Ergo, airline labor people are very protective of what they have, and very critical of those that scheme against them, their contract, and the policies/procedures that they must work under.
Most airline employees would love to be able to switch horses, especially since 9/11. And some have - I hear if you're willing to go to the middle east you can make a good buck and fly big iron. Besides that, though, you are pretty much stuck with what you have and it is nothing but human nature to want to be able to do the best job you can under the best leadership making the best decisions.
Unfortunately, that describes Southwest Airlines management.
Cheers (lifting the hot toddy and admiring the snow falling)

 

[flyus2]

DL is pulling out all aircraft from IAD BWI DCA according to MSNBC. CO is being very proactive. Seems when calling OPS in PIT they said "oh no-we are running a full schedule out of DCA tomorrow" :blink: Oh really?-you are now. Interesting :wacko:
Someone in Tempe must have flown out to OCC and turned the dial up on the "juice" IV drips.

Geez, why you guys are bashing us, unlike Delta and United who have cancelled all flights today, we sent flights out to the following: BOS, CLT, NAS, RSW, FLL, TPA and another TO CLT. All this morning in the snow....imagine that!!!

 

[Bear96]

Lucky you.
Do you watch the news? Are you aware of the unemployment rate in this country?

Interesting comment, in light of the numerous posts on USAviation in which front-line airline employees claim there are soooo many other opportunities available to them with better compensation and benefit packages. (And how many posts have there been in which F/As repeatedly claim that there are a lot of doctors and lawyers working as F/As? If these claims are to be believed, it would appear that there are LOTS of opportunities available to airline employees besides working for disfunctional management for subpar wages and benefits.)

To answer your question, yes, I am aware of the unemployment rate, and I am grateful for the opportunity that presented itself to me. However, it was also available to me largely through the hard work I have done over the past several years in my profession.

I don't think it's too much to ask for some proper planning and leadership from management during this storm, or on any other day.

Of course not. You can "ask" all you want. The question, however, is what should a reasonable employee do when (apparently, based on the endless bitching and moaning evident here) the employer is a complete basket case; cannot ever get anything right; consistently makes purposeful choisces to screw over both employees and customers; etc.

I would suggest the reasonable employee would seek other opportunities.

 

[Bear96]

Must not be in the airline industry, specifically labor. If cabin crew personell want to make a 'lateral move', they must start at the bottom again. Only switching careers (and starting at the bottom again) is an answer. Ergo, airline labor people are very protective of what they have, and very critical of those that scheme against them, their contract, and the policies/procedures that they must work under.

I once was in the airline industry in a strict seniority system (as a UA F/A). I no longer am.

I agree the seniority system places shackles on airline employees. I disagree with any implication that that is how it has to be. There are other ways to manage employees besides a strict seniority system. For example, my current employer makes decisions about me based on my performance, as reported by my supervisors, as opposed to the date I started working for it. (Shocking, I know.) However, I doubt unionized airline employees and their unions would support such a system.

 

[Phoenix]

I would suggest the reasonable employee would seek other opportunities.

Bro, life aint' so bad as it is.. I hired 14 more employees over the last three months.. and they ain't unionized. Besides that, I can still afford my broadband to post here once in awhile. Merry Christmas. 😀

 

[VAflyGal]

Interesting comment, in light of the numerous posts on USAviation in which front-line airline employees claim there are soooo many other opportunities available to them with better compensation and benefit packages. (And how many posts have there been in which F/As repeatedly claim that there are a lot of doctors and lawyers working as F/As? If these claims are to be believed, it would appear that there are LOTS of opportunities available to airline employees besides working for disfunctional management for subpar wages and benefits.)

I don't know any doctors or lawyers who work as F/A's, so I can't speak to that. It would be a pretty stupid career move, IMHO. I defer to Poug Darker's last post regarding this. It's spot on.

To answer your question, yes, I am aware of the unemployment rate, and I am grateful for the opportunity that presented itself to me. However, it was also available to me largely through the hard work I have done over the past several years in my profession.
Glad you are able to climb that ladder in your profession. It really doesn't matter how much of a super stew you are here - you wiggle up the payscale year by year until you top out (at a huge reduction from what pay was in years past, of course) or until you get a contractual raise.


Of course not. You can "ask" all you want. The question, however, is what should a reasonable employee do when (apparently, based on the endless bitching and moaning evident here) the employer is a complete basket case; cannot ever get anything right; consistently makes purposeful choisces to screw over both employees and customers; etc.

I would suggest the reasonable employee would seek other opportunities.

I will speak for a few people that I know of, myself included, who have looked for other opportunities. Many of us are waiting for the light at the end of the tunnel - a new contract, a buyout, some senior mamas to fall down on their MUC layover and break their hips, whatever.

We better get back to the thread topic of SNOW before the MODS bang their gavels. *beams love to mods*

 

[Bear96]

Bro, life aint' so bad as it is.. I hired 14 more employees over the last three months.. and they ain't unionized. Besides that, I can still afford my broadband to post here once in awhile. Merry Christmas. 😀

??

So maybe we are saying the same thing?

But here is your previous post:

Thats like some knucklehead coming from Zimbabwe and telling us to leave because we don't like the way he is acting as president. Leave is the right answer, you just got it backwards, bro.

You now appear to be implying that you are a business owner (my apologies if I am not understanding you). If your 14 new employees decided you were a "knucklehead" and did not like how you were acting as president of your company, you are saying you should step aside and let them run the place?

Or, as a Scenario B, if you as a businessman purchased another business, and 14 employees at that new business decided you were a knucklehead, you should exit stage right and turn the business over to them?

Please clarify if I am not understanding your point.