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[Tim Nelson]

First of all, you are not even employed by US anymore and those of us who know your past and the suffering it has caused this Fleet service group are sick of listening to your antics.....

You have no inside track with negotiations and cannot even begin to predict what any arbitrator will or will not do....Your claim that the ruling is a virtual lock in our favor is nothing more then a opinion, your opinion...

So quit filling peoples heads with false truths and let the process unfold as it will...

Regards

Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, I'm not the smartest guy but I don't have to be at the negotiations table to do the math on this one. Unfortunately, we all know the process and the likely outcome, because we all know the IAM. Sorry, just pointing to the scoreboard on this one. At any rate, it was the IAM loyalist themselves, not me, telling the members that the arbitration case was 'in the bag' and if they voted out the IAM in favor of the TWU then they would lose thousands of dollars.

Regarding the grievance, maybe you are right, so let's find out and go to arbitration. It's separate from negotiations so why not proceed and have a chance to get the members the money they were suppose to be getting.
If the IAM loses the grievance then big deal, the members haven't lost anything but an interpretation.

Jimmy, remember, the change of control grievance is in the contract and it should be non negotiable and separate from negotiations. In fact why would the IAM ever agree to waive the arbitration and make it a negotiated item if it should be kept separate?

I'll bet you a coke that the IAM makes the 'change of control' grievance negotiable and waives it to get more members included in a contract. In IAM negotiations....it's always about the IAM

regards,

 

[kao]

Jimmy, remember, the change of control grievance is in the contract and it should be non negotiable and separate from negotiations. In fact why would the IAM ever agree to waive the arbitration and make it a negotiated item if it should be kept separate?

I'll bet you a coke that the IAM makes the 'change of control' grievance negotiable and waives it to get more members included in a contract. In IAM negotiations....it's always about the IAM

regards,

can you explain to me what this exactly means? What is this change of control grievance? Thanks!

 

[libertybell]

can you explain to me what this exactly means? What is this change of control grievance? Thanks!

KAO,

In the Fleet Contract which you can see from this link address

http://www.iam141.org/PDF/US%20Airways/IAM...Plan2-09-06.pdf

Refer to Article 2 section B line 10 thru 42 page 4 and continue to page 5 line 1 thru 20

This is what the arbitration is all about.

 

[700UW]

The change of control arbitration is over the following is language in the CBA(Mechanic and Related)I believe Fleet's Language is the same, states:

Upon a change in control defined as the sale of all or substaintially all the assets or common stock of the Company or US Airways Group in a single transaction (or in multi-step related transactions) to a single purchaser (or a group of purchasers acting in concert), the hourly rates of pay under this agreement shall be increased to the rates which would have been effective following the Pay Party Adjutment in October of 2003 under the Pay Parity Letter of Agreement. In addition to such hourly rates of pay, the IAM will have the right to extend the duration of the IAM Restructuring Agreement, for one, two or three yearsat the IAM's option, past the amendable date of the IAM Restructuring Agreement with across the board wage increases of four and one half percent (4.5%) onthe amendable date and on each of the three (3) annual anniversaries of the amendable date thereafter (i.e. 12/31/08, 12/31/09 and 12/31/10). For the purpose of this paragraph. "Common Stock" is the Common Stock US Airways Group, then outstanding and the Common Stock issuable on exchange, excercise and/or conversion of securities of the Company or US Airways Group which are then currently exchangable into, excercisablefor or convertible into such common stock.

 

[Tim Nelson]

can you explain to me what this exactly means? What is this change of control grievance? Thanks!

700 and libertybell gave you the language. What's important is that this doesn't have to be negotiated because it's already in the contract and is non negotiable. That's why it is a greivance.
If the IAM wins it then more for fleet service, if they lose it then nothing is lost since it is separate from negotiations.

here's what I see shaking out.

"Soon", I can hear Canale saying the negotiations team 'fought like hell' and got fleet service $19 an hour and some other small perks. Most likely, the interpretation of such remarks will really mean that he bargained away fleet's $20+ hour wage away to get a reduced wage of $19 just to secure more members for the IAM.
He knows PHL, PIT, CLT won't be happy campers but he probably believes the systemwide majority would be happy since US west, and most stations on East are less than $16hr now.

regards,

 

[Harry Callahan]

700 and libertybell gave you the language. What's important is that this doesn't have to be negotiated because it's already in the contract and is non negotiable. That's why it is a greivance.
If the IAM wins it then more for fleet service, if they lose it then nothing is lost since it is separate from negotiations.

here's what I see shaking out.

"Soon", I can hear Canale saying the negotiations team 'fought like hell' and got fleet service $19 an hour and some other small perks. Most likely, the interpretation of such remarks will really mean that he bargained away fleet's $20+ hour wage away to get a reduced wage of $19 just to secure more members for the IAM.
He knows PHL, PIT, CLT won't be happy campers but he probably believes the systemwide majority would be happy since US west, and most stations on East are less than $16hr now.

regards,

Tim. quite frankly I hope you are wrong but this is what scares me also.

 

[barbeetantrums]

Meeting again today in Chicago. Oh, to be a fly on the wall. I could eavesdrop and eat cr@p.

 

[roadtrip]

Meeting again today in Chicago. Oh, to be a fly on the wall. I could eavesdrop and eat cr@p.

First off are you sure they met today on Monday a holiday?

Second here is a list of the IAM guys doing the talks could everyone please fill in the blanks as far as what city they are from and if they are fleet service workers!

Rich Johnsen ??????

Dan Zuger FSA/US-BWI

Tom Regan ???????

Jeff Rusk FSA/US-CLT

Mary Reed FSA/HP-MCI

Tony Armideo AGC -(currently fired as a FSA/US-PHL)

Dave Lolly FSA/US-PIT

Gary Gould - FSA/US or HP ? - LAS

Bill Chandlee AGC - FSA/US-PHL

John Mendenhall ??????

Pat Flynn AGC - FSA/US-PHL

Ron Roth FSA/HP-PHX

Steve Miller VP at Large FSA/US-BOS

Jeff Hayden FSA/US-PHL

 

[barbeetantrums]

First off are you sure they met today on Monday a holiday?

from http://www.iam141.org/usairway.htm#usa.02.16.07
"Our discussions this week have been constructive to the point that each party is recessing for the weekend to do further economic evaluations and return for a resumption of discussions on Monday, February 19, 2007 in an ongoing serious and candid attempt to reach an agreement."



Second here is a list of the IAM guys doing the talks could everyone please fill in the blanks as far as what city they are from and if they are fleet service workers!



Mary Reed ?????? MCI HP fleet service.


Gary Gould ??????? LAS Fleet service.

Bill Chandlee AGC - FSA/US-PHL Professional worm.


Ron Roth ?????? PHX fleet service.

 

[roadtrip]

Updated List thanks Barbee! Still looking for few more anyone know anything on these last few

Rich Johnsen ??????

Dan Zuger FSA/US-BWI

Tom Regan ???????

Jeff Rusk FSA/US-CLT

Mary Reed FSA/HP-MCI

Tony Armideo AGC -(currently fired as a FSA/US-PHL)

Dave Lolly FSA/US-PIT

Gary Gould - FSA/US or HP ? - LAS

Bill Chandlee AGC - FSA/US-PHL

John Mendenhall ??????

Pat Flynn AGC - FSA/US-PHL

Ron Roth FSA/HP-PHX

Steve Miller VP at Large FSA/US-BOS

Jeff Hayden FSA/US-PHL

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Updated List thanks Barbee! Still looking for few more anyone know anything on these last few

Rich Johnsen ??????

Dan Zuger FSA/US-BWI

Tom Regan District 141 rep

Jeff Rusk FSA/US-CLT

Mary Reed FSA/HP-MCI

Tony Armideo AGC -(currently fired as a FSA/US-PHL)

Dave Lolly FSA/US-PIT

Gary Gould - FSA/US or HP ? - LAS

Bill Chandlee AGC - FSA/US-PHL

John Mendenhall Ex-PIT then MEM now LAS

Pat Flynn AGC - FSA/US-PHL

Ron Roth FSA/HP-PHX

Steve Miller VP at Large FSA/US-BOS

Jeff Hayden FSA/US-PHL

 

[roadtrip]

Thanks Jim Still looking to get background on the rest

Rich Johnsen ??????

Dan Zuger FSA/US-BWI

Tom Regan Dist 141 Rep (is this guy a FSA? or Mech/Utility)

Jeff Rusk FSA/US-CLT

Mary Reed FSA/HP-MCI

Tony Armideo AGC -(currently fired as a FSA/US-PHL)

Dave Lolly FSA/US-PIT

Gary Gould - FSA/US or HP ? - LAS

Bill Chandlee AGC - FSA/US-PHL

John Mendenhall Ex PIT then MEM now LAS Presume US/FSA

Pat Flynn AGC - FSA/US-PHL

Ron Roth FSA/HP-PHX

Steve Miller VP at Large FSA/US-BOS

Jeff Hayden FSA/US-PHL

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

Thanks Jim Still looking to get background on the rest

Rich Johnsen ??????

Dan Zuger FSA/US-BWI

Tom Regan Dist 141 Rep (is this guy a FSA? or Mech/Utility)From Fleet Group Works Under Canale-Probably the sharpest knife in the set here

Jeff Rusk FSA/US-CLT

Mary Reed FSA/HP-MCI

Tony Armideo AGC -(currently fired as a FSA/US-PHL)

Dave Lolly FSA/US-PIT

Gary Gould - FSA/US or HP ? - LAS

Bill Chandlee AGC - FSA/US-PHL

John Mendenhall Ex PIT then MEM now LAS Presume US/FSA Correct

Pat Flynn AGC - FSA/US-PHL

Ron Roth FSA/HP-PHX

Steve Miller VP at Large FSA/US-BOS

Jeff Hayden FSA/US-PHL

 

[700UW]

Rich Johnson, Grand Lodge Representative UAL Employee.

 

[roadtrip]

Anyone else have any info on these folks please let us know

Rich Johnson, Grand Lodge Representative UAL Employee.

Dan Zuger FSA/US-BWI

Tom Regan Dist 141 Rep From Fleet Group Works Under Canale

Jeff Rusk FSA/US-CLT

Mary Reed FSA/HP-MCI

Tony Armideo AGC -(currently fired as a FSA/US-PHL)

Dave Lolly FSA/US-PIT

Gary Gould - FSA/US or HP ? - LAS

Bill Chandlee AGC - FSA/US-PHL

John Mendenhall Ex PIT then MEM now LAS Presume US/FSA Correct

Pat Flynn AGC - FSA/US-PHL

Ron Roth FSA/HP-PHX

Steve Miller VP at Large FSA/US-BOS

Jeff Hayden FSA/US-PHL