For Adults Only!

[delldude]

Not sure who that is. Is that like Fox news for liberals?

Hillary and George Soros created it to counter the 'vast right wing conspiracy'. Its the favorite site of progressives for spun fact. I was sure you'd have it bookmarked by now. 😛

 

[7days]

Another example of the liberal MSM trying to reframe the issue. Candy Crowley on CNN this morning said "What will it take for House Republicans to pass a debt deal?"

They passed one last week.

 

[Ms Tree]

I think the implication was a 'viable' deal.

 

[7days]

I think the implication was a 'viable' deal.

It was a viable deal. The way it works is that the senate could have made changes or amendments. But they chose to table it.

So who are the ones holding up the process?

 

[tech2101]

Here is one of the adults; former Congressman, Republican - Oklahoma - 1977-1993. He wrote an excellent article in The Atlantic.

Small excerpt here:

What we have today is not a legacy of 1789 but an outdated relic of the late 1800s and early 1900s, when Progressives pushed for the adoption of primary elections. By 1916, all but a handful of states had instituted the “direct primary” system, under which a party candidate was selected by a public vote, rather than by party leaders in backroom deals. But the primaries, and the nominating conventions, were open only to party members. This reform was supposed to give citizens a bigger role in the election process. Instead, the influence of party leaders has been supplanted by that of a subset of party activists who are often highly ideological and largely uninterested in finding common ground. In Delaware in 2010, a mere 30,000 of that state’s nearly 1 million people kept Mike Castle, a popular congressman and former governor, off the general-election ballot. In Utah, 3,500 people meeting in a closed convention deprived the rest of the state’s 3 million residents of an opportunity to consider reelecting their longtime senator Robert Bennett. For most of the voters who go to the polls in November, the names on the ballot have been reduced to only those candidates the political parties will allow them to choose between. Americans demand a multiplicity of options in almost every other aspect of our lives. And yet we allow small bands of activists to limit our choices of people to represent us in making the nation’s laws.

Full article here:

How to Turn Republicans and Democrats Into Americans - An insider’s six-step plan to fix Congress

 

[Ms Tree]

It was only viable if you agreed with it. All it had were massive spending cuts with no tax increases. It was far easier to table the measure than to try and amend it. That will require a complete rewrite so why bother amending it?

 

[7days]

It was only viable if you agreed with it. All it had were massive spending cuts with no tax increases. It was far easier to table the measure than to try and amend it. That will require a complete rewrite so why bother amending it?

If the democrats were serious, yes they would amend it. Thats how bills are passed. But no they simply rejected/tabled it altogether. So who is holding up the process for political reasons? Not the republicans.

 

[Ms Tree]

If the republicans were serious they would have proffered a realistic bill. Instead they offered up a turd, went in the corner and put their fingers in their ears singing la la la lal la ... I can't hear you. The polls show that the republicans are holding up the process and I agree.

 

[7days]

If the republicans were serious they would have proffered a realistic bill. Instead they offered up a turd, went in the corner and put their fingers in their ears singing la la la lal la ... I can't hear you. The polls show that the republicans are holding up the process and I agree.

Of course you would believe that. That's what is being spoon feed to you by your liberal MSM. It is interesting the only polls you seem to believe is the one that fits their liberal agenda. Brainwashed much?

 

[delldude]

If the republicans were serious they would have proffered a realistic bill. Instead they offered up a turd, went in the corner and put their fingers in their ears singing la la la lal la ... I can't hear you. The polls show that the republicans are holding up the process and I agree.

I think they're the only sane ones in the room. Dems are freaking over cuts and only want to spend. Kick the can down the road again....Yeah, that's the ticket.
Go read the article by Mark Steyn in No Plan.

Do you actually think that if the Dems still controlled both houses there'd be any talk of deficit reduction of any serious size? Or any talk at all?

 

[Ms Tree]

I think they're the only sane ones in the room. Dems are freaking over cuts and only want to spend. Kick the can down the road again....Yeah, that's the ticket.
Go read the article by Mark Steyn in No Plan.

Do you actually think that if the Dems still controlled both houses there'd be any talk of deficit reduction of any serious size? Or any talk at all?

I think the Dems are the only sane ones. Republicans are freaking over tax increases and only want to cut spending. Kick the can down the road yet again...... Yeah, that's the ticket.

Do you actually think if the republicans controlled both houses there'd be any talk of fixing the tax structure? Or any talks at all?


See how stupid it sounds to blame this on only one party?

 

[SparrowHawk]

If the republicans were serious they would have proffered a realistic bill. Instead they offered up a turd, went in the corner and put their fingers in their ears singing la la la lal la ... I can't hear you. The polls show that the republicans are holding up the process and I agree.

The Republicans are serious as a Heart Attack. It's your ears that are clogged. Their message is being heard loud and clear. The problem is the Empty Suit and the rest just don't want to hear it. Personally I think they have the balls to allow a government default no matter how ill advised in the short term.

 

[7days]

The Republicans are serious as a Heart Attack. It's your ears that are clogged. Their message is being heard loud and clear. The problem is the Empty Suit and the rest just don't want to hear it. Personally I think they have the balls to allow a government default no matter how ill advised in the short term.

Yes that it correct. The democrats have proposed some vaugue spending cuts stretched out over 10 years. Knowing that they cant bind any future congress to it. So its all smoke and mirrors. At least with Cut Cap Balance it makes it a constitutional amendment to actually stick to it.


1. Cut – We must make discretionary and mandatory spending reductions that would cut the deficit in half next year.
2. Cap – We need statutory, enforceable caps to align federal spending with average revenues at 18% of Gross Domestic Product (GDP), with automatic spending reductions if the caps are breached.
3. Balance – We must send to the states a Balanced Budget Amendment (BBA) with strong protections against federal tax increases and a Spending Limitation Amendment (SLA) that aligns spending with average revenues as described above.
Democrats seem to have given up, proposing even more borrowing in response to our massive debt addiction.

 

[7days]

Remember, "I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today." Don't fall for it. $2T increase now, with cuts later is a Wimpy deal.

 

[delldude]

I think the Dems are the only sane ones. Republicans are freaking over tax increases and only want to cut spending. Kick the can down the road yet again...... Yeah, that's the ticket.

Do you actually think if the republicans controlled both houses there'd be any talk of fixing the tax structure? Or any talks at all?


See how stupid it sounds to blame this on only one party?

The Dems haven't shown any inkling towards fiscal responsibility so yes, they are to blame. If they were making serious gestures, that would be a different story, but they aren't.
Obama and his party are the ones who have escalated this boondoggle beyond imagination and now they want to spend more money. GOP wants to reign in spending and size and they are wrong?