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MERGER COMMITTEE UPDATE – MAY 29, 2007



On Thursday, May 24, the Merger Committee received the ALPA Executive Council’s Resolution postponing its decision on the US Airways MEC’s request that the Nicolau Panel’s Award be overturned. It is no overstatement to say that we are quite disturbed that the tactics employed by the US Airways pilots have prompted ALPA to hesitate for a moment – much less a month – in taking the only action it may take in connection with this Award; namely to “defend†it as “final and binding on all parties to the arbitration†(Merger Policy, Part 1, Section H.5 and to “present[] [it] to management and … use all reasonable means at its disposal to compel the company to accept and implement the merged seniority list.†Merger Policy, Part 1, Section I.1.



The time has come to bring the East’s unwarranted actions to a close. We understand that the Executive Council will resolve this matter once and for all sometime in June. Our Merger Counsel, on whom we have relied throughout this process and whose advice has served us so well over the past two years, has assured us that there is only one way it can be resolved – rejecting the East’s request to set aside the Award. Thus, while we are troubled by the delay, we remain certain that ALPA will not set aside the Award.



In the interim, the Resolution calls on ALPA President Prater to “employ all the resources of the Association to assist the MECs†in coming to a consensual agreement that puts this dispute behind us. We will wait to see what Captain Prater’s views are on how the dispute can be put behind us.



More than his views, however, we will be interested in the East MECs views on that subject. Throughout the entire Seniority Integration process, the East has shown a complete unwillingness to come to grips with the reality of their situation. Even when Mr. Nicolau made clear to them on the record that they simply would not be awarded a date-based list, they made no effort to modify their position. So you do not have any doubts about this history, we have pasted some relevant pages of the transcript to the end of this Update. The East leadership’s capitulation during the arbitration to demands of the extreme fringe of their pilot group who insisted that their Merger Committee pursue a date-based strategy that was entirely unsupportable (a capitulation that, we believe, actually undermined their case before the Panel) gives us little comfort that there is even now the political will on their part to make the hard decisions that these circumstances call for. Indeed, the East’s Hot line message to its pilots describing the Executive Council’s Resolution once again demonstrates that they are seriously misjudging the situation.



In contrast, as you know, the West Merger Committee from the outset took measured actions designed to accommodate the West’s position to the facts as they developed during the hearings and to Panel’s observations that we, like the East, were not going to be awarded the list and conditions we were arguing for. Unlike the East, however, we accommodated to that reality and ultimately gave the panel a roadmap that moved the process in the right direction.



In light of that history, both ALPA and the East MEC must understand that, at least from the West Merger Committee’s point of view, any willingness we might have to engage with the East during this short time period should not be interpreted to reflect any intention on our part to make any changes in the four corners of the Award.



As always, we will keep you advised as the process unfolds.





Transcript January 26, 2007 – Pages 2977-2979:



CHAIRMAN NICOLAU: Not only does the Board want to see that exhibit but, you know, I think that my colleagues have indicated that it would be wise for both sides to sit down and consider their positions once again, and if they want to tell us anything about that, the next meeting would be the time to do that.



MR. FREUND: I understood what you said about that.



CHAIRMAN NICOLAU: Okay. So there may be some specific things, and I don't know whether all of that was communicated in terms of what, some specific things that we want to see, but you know, I think it was clear from the beginning that the Board had some difficulty with both proposals. And, you know, the Board is ready to make a decision at some point in time after everything is in, including the briefs, but I have got to tell you it is always better if the parties do it, and I want you to give one more opportunity to come closer together if that is at all possible. If it isn't, we will take the data that we need, some of it we don't have yet, and craft a decision that will, you know, reach that level of mutual dissatisfaction that everybody tries to attain.





Transcript February 21, 2007 – Pages 3039-3041:



CHAIRMAN NICOLAU: Yes. The last time we met, in a somewhat smaller room, where even if it was smaller we were trying to figure out a way how to negotiate a treaty in this room, and this room I guess is perfect for it. The board asked both sides to reflect and to consider what we have said and to come back to discuss any revised positions that they had, that they intended to make, and to present. We already have a document from the America West pilots. We would like to hear first, this morning, from the US Air pilots as to what their response is and then anything that America West wants to add, and then we are going to take it from there. So Dan, how do you want to proceed in that regard?



MR. KATZ: Well, I guess the first thing I would like to do is respond to the submission that we received electronically last night from the America West pilots, and just say a word or two about that. Number one –



CHAIRMAN NICOLAU: That is a little backward, but I mean if you want to proceed that way.




MR. KATZ: I would prefer, unless there is a problem with that. I can start out by saying that we don't have a modification of our proposal in any respect that we are prepared to make at this time. And if it makes more sense logically to start from that I am happy to do that. We have considered fully the observations of the panel with regard to both side's proposals. We have given careful study to the issue. We have consulted with MEC and the advisors and done quite a bit of analysis, and we are comfortable with our proposal as it is. So I think that is probably a good place to start.
 
What is interesting about this situation is that it is tearing the two pilot groups apart and could cause a corporate failure and if it does, it does, because it is apparent the pilot relationship is toxic.

The more I think about it, the AWA MEC and Merger Committee both appear to be more than a little panicked about what the East pilots could do to the union and company. Why? As John Prater said there could be "negative consequences".

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
I don't see the situation "tearing the two pilot groups apart" in any form. Sure there is a lot of debate and discussion and gnashing of teeth but it is in no way approaching toxic levels of causing a corporate failure. What you view is hysterics and that always dies out pretty quickly once everyone gets to vent.

This is just a case that will be resolved. Once it is resolved everyone will get back to their business and no one will be the worse for it. Pilots won't be battling pilots and no one is going to go off the deep end much less the company.

Bob
 
What is interesting about this situation is that it is tearing the two pilot groups apart and could cause a corporate failure and if it does, it does, because it is apparent the pilot relationship is toxic.

The more I think about it, the AWA MEC and Merger Committee both appear to be more than a little panicked about what the East pilots could do to the union and company. Why? As John Prater said there could be "negative consequences".

Regards,

USA320Pilot

Based upon the rhetoric of a few easties I would say the east pilots have trouble with life in general, let alone getting along with any pilot group (like UAL, for example).
 
And a reference for my above post from a USAir first officer in PHL:
"But I would not want to be the former AWA pilot with say 8 yrs seniority that moves to PHL to fly as a Captain. The 20+ yr. F/O's would be very difficult to fly with and for good reason. I hope you understand my meaning, so for all our sakes and for the sake of our company, this can't be allowed to happen."

Hopefully this guy will cool down after the list is implemented.
 
AWA Merger Committee said: "The East leadership’s capitulation during the arbitration to demands of the extreme fringe of their pilot group who insisted that their Merger Committee pursue a date-based strategy that was entirely unsupportable (a capitulation that, we believe, actually undermined their case before the Panel) gives us little comfort that there is even now the political will on their part to make the hard decisions that these circumstances call for."

Prechilill said: "Based upon the rhetoric of a few easties I would say the east pilots have trouble with life in general, let alone getting along with any pilot group (like UAL, for example)."

USA320Pilot comments: The AWA Merger Committee and Prechilill are clearly uninformed because the East pilot group has never been more unified on this subject. The East pilots are determined to not have the Nicolau Award implemented and will fight to the end, if necessary.

In a recent message to the US Airways pilots, MEC chairman Jack Stephan said, "Late last night ALPA's Executive Council took action concerning the Nicolau arbitration award. Shortly, we will post on our website the resolution passed by the Executive Council and the letter Captain Prater sent to US Airways MEC Chairman Jack Stephan and AWA MEC Chairman John McIlvenna."

"These documents lay the foundation for seeking to right the injustices of this egregious award. The resolution states that the Executive Council is acutely aware of the negative consequences that may result if the MECs fail to come together to explore consensual approaches that promote career protection and mutual success."

"Additionally it goes on to direct ALPA President, Captain John Prater to continue to employ all of the resources of the Association to assist the MECs in achieving these goals."

Stephan continued, "While our request to have the award oided was not directly addressed at this time, we are nonetheless encouraged that the Executive Council has taken ownership of the issue as we advocated in our presentation as well as the direction that they have laid out for us."

"Your solidarity in letting your views be known provided he wherewithal to convince the Executive Council that they could not remain silent on the issue before us. Your continued solidarity in that manner will be instrumental as we move forward as a union to effectively address the ramifications of the Nicolau award. Rest assured that your MEC continues to remain solely focused on exhausting every means available to represent the US Airways pilots."

USA320Pilot comments: Stephan's chairman message was signed by every MEC Representative, clearly indicating the MEC's resolve, which is not the extreme fringe of the (US Airways) pilot group" as the AWA Merger Committee suggests.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
AWA Merger Committee said: "The East leadership’s capitulation during the arbitration to demands of the extreme fringe of their pilot group who insisted that their Merger Committee pursue a date-based strategy that was entirely unsupportable (a capitulation that, we believe, actually undermined their case before the Panel) gives us little comfort that there is even now the political will on their part to make the hard decisions that these circumstances call for."

Prechilill said: "Based upon the rhetoric of a few easties I would say the east pilots have trouble with life in general, let alone getting along with any pilot group (like UAL, for example)."

USA320Pilot comments: The AWA Merger Committee and Prechilill are clearly uninformed because the East pilot group has never been more unified on this subject. The East pilots are determined to not have the Nicolau Award implemented and will fight to the end, if necessary.

In a recent message to the US Airways pilots, MEC chairman Jack Stephan said, "Late last night ALPA's Executive Council took action concerning the Nicolau arbitration award. Shortly, we will post on our website the resolution passed by the Executive Council and the letter Captain Prater sent to US Airways MEC Chairman Jack Stephan and AWA MEC Chairman John McIlvenna."

"These documents lay the foundation for seeking to right the injustices of this egregious award. The resolution states that the Executive Council is acutely aware of the negative consequences that may result if the MECs fail to come together to explore consensual approaches that promote career protection and mutual success."

"Additionally it goes on to direct ALPA President, Captain John Prater to continue to employ all of the resources of the Association to assist the MECs in achieving these goals."

Stephan continued, "While our request to have the award oided was not directly addressed at this time, we are nonetheless encouraged that the Executive Council has taken ownership of the issue as we advocated in our presentation as well as the direction that they have laid out for us."

"Your solidarity in letting your views be known provided he wherewithal to convince the Executive Council that they could not remain silent on the issue before us. Your continued solidarity in that manner will be instrumental as we move forward as a union to effectively address the ramifications of the Nicolau award. Rest assured that your MEC continues to remain solely focused on exhausting every means available to represent the US Airways pilots."

USA320Pilot comments: Stephan's chairman message was signed by every MEC Representative, clearly indicating the MEC's resolve, which is not the extreme fringe of the (US Airways) pilot group" as the AWA Merger Committee suggests.

Regards,

USA320Pilot

You FN east pilots need a bib and a pacifier bacause you are fn whiners(we didnt get our way blah blah blah) How many awa pilots are tired of the east pilot sh&&. let take a pollI hope I never fly with any of you because all I hear is a bunch of Whining BI^^^es. Let the wrath of the east begin.


And USA320 I hope you are a F/O because if buy some chance we do fly togther you can pull my 4 year upgrade gear and I will call you my gear #### all day.
 
You FN east pilots need a bib and a pacifier bacause you are fn whiners(we didnt get our way blah blah blah) How many awa pilots are tired of the east pilot sh&&. let take a pollI hope I never fly with any of you because all I hear is a bunch of Whining BI^^^es. Let the wrath

Take a look around, it HAS begun. GAME ON...
 
You FN east pilots need a bib and a pacifier bacause you are fn whiners(we didnt get our way blah blah blah) How many awa pilots are tired of the east pilot sh&&. let take a pollI hope I never fly with any of you because all I hear is a bunch of Whining BI^^^es. Let the wrath of the east begin.
And USA320 I hope you are a F/O because if buy some chance we do fly togther you can pull my 4 year upgrade gear and I will call you my gear #### all day.


He's not an f/o he's a former UAL scab. Crossed the line now feels he's a true union brother :down:
 
No, I have never crossed a picket line and AWA320 pilot is purposely misrepresenting information. As ab320driver said, "Take a look around, it HAS begun. GAME ON..." and if the AWA pilots do not want to reach a consensual agreement then "let the implosion" begin.

The ALPA EC resolution clearly indicates the Associations desire to obtain a consensual award, which is an idea I believe the majority of the East pilots would endorse.

Again, I do not want any AWA or US Airways pilots hurt, which is why a simple way to resolve this dispute is to create a permanent or long-term PHX/LAS and East Coast base fence of maybe 25 years, shared growth over pre-merger fleet plans, and shared scope protection that would keep each pilot group at their pre-merger career expectation.

This would prevent one pilot group from benefiting at the expense of the other. If true, I cannot understand why any AWA pilot would not want this in lieu of "game on or an implosion", which I believe will likely occur without a consensual agreement.

Boom! :shock:

Best regards,

USA320Pilot
 
PineyBob,

This time it's different because of solidarity. During Bankruptcy I/II the US Airways pilot group was split with taking a stand and living to fight another day. During bankruptcy and the pension termination the pilot group was split.

However, today the pilot group has tremendous solidarity - that's the difference.

Today the US Airways pilots have overwhelming solidarity and, if necessary, will let an implosion occur.

Boom! :shock:

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
USA320Pilot comments: Stephan's chairman message was signed by every MEC Representative, clearly indicating the MEC's resolve, which is not the extreme fringe of the (US Airways) pilot group" as the AWA Merger Committee suggests.
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I've never known an ALPA status representative trying to keep the good graces of his local council constituency to be anything other than extreme - generally speaking of course!

Bob
 
Well they may be whiners of the first order, however IF they decide as a group to grow a spine they have it within their power to end US Airways existance. Now you can argue the merits of such a manuever but rest assured the Company's attempt to gear up to hire replacements in their efforts to play "Hardball" could well back fire and unite the two groups against the Parker Posse and ensure the demise of US Airways.

Up until now they have displayed the spine of a jellyfish so I wouldn't bet the rent just yet.

Go Ahead, burn it down. I have a number elsewhere, and YOU won't ever be there. :up:
 
'USA320Pilot said:
"This time it's different because of solidarity....
However, today the pilot group has tremendous solidarity - that's the difference.

Today the US Airways pilots have overwhelming solidarity and, if necessary, will let an implosion occur.

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The same can be said of the west. Just like the east is now on the west we have never had the unity and solidarity that we currently enjoy. It's amazing for both groups. However, east solidarity can't and won't destroy the airline just as west solidarity won't get us as good a contract as we deserve.

Solidarity is a good thing but it is overrated. It's great for leading cheers but it doesn't win the game.

Bob
 

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