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The issue is not about conceding to management. The unions must permit the company to implement its business plan. If not, there will be alternatives, which Dave mentioned in today’s phone message to the employees.

To succeed, we must adapt, we must adjust to the competition. It is imperative that the employees send a strong message to their union leaders that they are willing to adapt to remain a viable carrier. The employees control their future and should stop fighting with management. We can win as a team; Dave will lead this company to a triumphant victory versus the competition.

The labor leaders must amend the inefficient and unproductive work rules that impede our company. Perry Hayes stated in his Nov 19th letter to Dave that the company should become more like WN to efficiently compete with them. The company can efficiently compete with similar work rules.

Etops1, I could not agree more with your posting. I am not a member of your group, but I do have first hand knowledge of the many inefficient areas that must be addressed. Compare your work rules to your counterparts at WN or B6. Everything must be on the table for the company to succeed.
 
I know that the company can ALREADY use the crews more efficiently; they just apparently choose not to. They are also getting NEW ways to use the crews more, with reserve time balancing and preferential bidding coming online soon. Aside from just chaining us to the airplanes I just don't understand what these guys can possibly want. If they PRESENTED a plan which needed some "tweaking" I think that groups might be more receptive to minor alterations in their agreements, especially if some limits were placed on job losses.
 
ByTheBay said:
It seems that the wage cuts have and other changes have only delayed or slowed further deterioration of the busness. It appears structural changes need to be made and growth of the revenue base is paramount. The sucess or better financials of US Airways competitiors(especially the LCC's) seem attributable to the fact they utilize their assets more per day and have lower head counts per ASM. It would seem that US Airways could achieve that without further layoffs by growing into the current headcount(the 60 aircraft) and increase revenue more than cost allowing it to compete. If I were there I would at least want my leadership to listen to the plan and what changes are wanted, including what effect it would have on work, days off, etc. Since it appears US Airways is in the slow spiral back to bankruptcy with no changes it at least would present some kind of option to choose or not choose.  As much as it would suck to be furloughed and see productivity enhancements negotiated it has to be bettter than the company shrinking or going away. If US Airways becomes a growing sustainable entity, retirements if nothing else will allow for recalls.
A while back, I did some research comparing the headcount of US Airways against that of Southwest. Here are the statistics.

US AIRWAYS has:
28,381 Employees
279 Aircraft
40,612 revenue seats
145.6 average seat count per A/C
43.3% of fleet is Airbus, supposedly more cost-efficient than Boeing

The above equates to: 102 employees per A/C and 0.7 employees per revenue seat.

SOUTHWEST has:
35,000 Employees (approx.)
381 Aircraft
51,432 revenue seats
135 average seat count per A/C
All Boeing fleet, supposedly less cost-efficient than Airbus

The above equates to 92 employees per A/C and 0.68 employees per revenue seat.

US Airways employees are constantly being told how efficient Southwest is and that is the secret to their success. But our headcount per revenue seat is almost exactly what Southwest's is. There is no doubt that Southwest does lots of things efficiently, but when apples are compared to apples, we are doing it with the same number of people, which tells me that there is more to the puzzle.

Revenue has yet to be addressed by this management. The lopsided hub and spoke system has yet to be seriously addressed by this management. The ineffective route structure has yet to be addressed by this management. PHL congestion has yet to be addressed by this management. But clearly, if Southwest's costs are lower, it's not attributable to labor. Southwests costs are lower because its MANAGEMENT makes wise decisions. They don't serve expensive airports. They don't (yet) have the Philly factor. They plan their fuel purchases around where aircraft will be landing, purchasing at the airports with cheaper prices. The little things they do to save money really save a lot. If something doesn't make sense, they don't do it. If something isn't working, they stop doing it.

If this management wants to start comparing itself to Southwest, it needs to start treating its employees with dignity and respect, which is probably Southwest's single most ingredient in its recipe for success.

When management lies to it employees at every turn, it can no longer be trusted. When that happens, they are no longer effective. That's when it's time to step aside and let someone who is serious at making meaningful and realistic changes to the organization come in. Once upon a time, most employees thought that person was Dave Siegel. That was when he said he would save as many jobs as possible, yet as it turns out has cut as many as possible and is now coming back for more. You would be hard-pressed to find many employees who still think Dave is the answer. Last Monday I was trying to nonrev through PIT. There was no way nonrevs were going anywhere... flights oversold and 20-30 nonrevs listed on almost every single flight. If our flights are that full why aren't we making money? Something's wrong and it ain't the headcount. Seat count has been cut so much that we can't make money. The things that once defined us as a distinctive airline are gone. Our aircraft are so filthy it's shameful. But as far as working smarter and not harder... that begins with management. They don't need our permission to roll the PHL hub... but this management would rather blame employees for inefficiencies stemming from their ineptitude than address the real problems. LABOR has twice given monetary concessions. LABOR has given benefits concessions. LABOR as given workrule concessions. Where does it stop? When does it end?

If this management has a plan, it needs to tell employees what it is. They've had almost two years to come up with one. They've had opportunities to address non-labor cost issues in bankruptcy, something most other carriers did not avail themselves of. And still, we're hearing costs are too high. The real problem is revenue is not high enough, and that's not Labor's doing. They need to figure out how to get money in and how to effectively utilize and dispatch the assets they already have. They need to get our aircraft flying longer and farther because these CLE to PIT hops ain't payin' the bills. That's how to make money... not "shrinking" with the idea of losing less money. It doesn't take a Harvard MBA to figure that out.
 
The Truth said:
The issue is not about conceding to management. The unions must permit the company to implement its business plan. If not, there will be alternatives, which Dave mentioned in today’s phone message to the employees.

To succeed, we must adapt, we must adjust to the competition. It is imperative that the employees send a strong message to their union leaders that they are willing to adapt to remain a viable carrier. The employees control their future and should stop fighting with management. We can win as a team; Dave will lead this company to a triumphant victory versus the competition.

The labor leaders must amend the inefficient and unproductive work rules that impede our company. Perry Hayes stated in his Nov 19th letter to Dave that the company should become more like WN to efficiently compete with them. The company can efficiently compete with similar work rules.

Etops1, I could not agree more with your posting. I am not a member of your group, but I do have first hand knowledge of the many inefficient areas that must be addressed. Compare your work rules to your counterparts at WN or B6. Everything must be on the table for the company to succeed.
HEY MANAGEMENT,


THE TRUTH is......."Go pound salt"

As an aside, your brain only computed one sentence of Perry Hayes letter. You didn't or refuse to conceptulize the rest of what he said regarding SW.
 
DCFlyer, thanks for the reply. I appreciate the timme you put into it. I don't know if you have this information or a comparison but how do the nubers (employee per revenue seat) comare to ASM. I know LUV manages to fly its aircraft 13 hours aday and B6 even more. I'm guessing that skews the employee per ASM in LUV's favor because they are moving the seats more hours/flts per day. What is the magic in their contracts that allow for that kind of productivity and don't at US Airways. What's the secret?

At LUV don't F/A's clean planes in between flightd and Pilots figure their own W/B with calculators I believe they contract out things like major maintence and cleaning of planes over night. I think they utilize part time employees more and employees can perform multiple jobs like ramp/gate/push planes back. Would these changes be acceptable to US Airways employees. I know a lot of posters seem to hold this management up to LUV's and their standard of profitability. Is it possible to just adopt their pay and work rules? Would US Airways employyes even go for that?
 
NO! I'm a customer I won't leave and I won't even dream of checking a bag in PHL. The performance there is about as sharp as a bowling ball. If I have a long trip that requires checked luggage I go to ABE or TTN. That way I have a fighting chance of getting my bag to arrive with me.

Well that'll be one less bag for our overloaded and understaffed bag chute to have to deal with. Most missed bags from the chute aren't employee error, and in the rare times that it is, the employee usually gets disciplined. If it's that big of a problem then have your bags shipped Fed-Ex or UPS. I know you shouldn't have to do this, but solutions to your problems with our bag chute are not under the control of the rampers.

You are right it apparently isn't run at all, by anyone! Judging from the recent past. As a customer I want RESULTS not Reasons. Did a little experiment and had priority tags put bags into PHL, they came at last. No tags and they arrived first. So I THINK there might be an "ATTYOODE? problem. A little class envey unchained. Still waiting for the station manager to call as requested on that one.

Class envy? You just showed that you have no clue as to what many PHL rampers earn. As far as your bags go, the priority are the first off the a/c, thus putting them at the bottom of the freight cart and up to baggage claim last. If we had more carts and manpower we could seperate the priority, as they should be, and get them on the claim belt first. I've now given you two reasons for your bag problems in PHL. The ramp can't do much in getting you the results that you want. When you relay your problems to Mr. Pelc (if he calls you) I'm sure he's going to tell you that he will address it. The fact is that he's not given the resources to do his job, so your going to have to go above him. You will end up at the very top of our Executive chain, and when you get there you will have found the problem.

hey you elected them I didn't, don't cry now.

I didn't vote for any of them, I wasn't crying, and I will do all I can to help things change for the better.

I can tell by the performance that you are planning to ensure they don't make it to 2005

According to DOT our performance was very good, especially during one of the worst times in our history. Unfortunately they don't keep stats on our Executives. U will survive in one form or another, and hopefully people like you will begin to understand how the operation really works and stop bashing the wrong work group.

Have a good night. 🙂
 
Bythe Bay,

I'm going to come across like a #### on wheels. Being that you just signed up today, I read your first posts , and immediately, raised both eye brows......

So, I'll start off and be the first to say "welcome to the boards" 😀


And then I'll say......come out, come out, who ever you are....you are no pax and you are surely no employee of U....Caught ya, running, dodging those corners, in bellerina sleepers..... 😛h34r:


ANSWER to question: NO.
 
ByTheBay said:
I know LUV manages to fly its aircraft 13 hours aday and B6 even more. I'm guessing that skews the employee per ASM in LUV's favor because they are moving the seats more hours/flts per day. What is the magic in their contracts that allow for that kind of productivity and don't at US Airways. What's the secret?

I think they utilize part time employees more and employees can perform multiple jobs like ramp/gate/push planes back. Would these changes be acceptable to US Airways employees. I know a lot of posters seem to hold this management up to LUV's and their standard of profitability. Is it possible to just adopt their pay and work rules? Would US Airways employyes even go for that?
Part of the answer to the first paragraph is that we have planes that go to bed at 8pm at night and some that dont start out the next day until 930 or 1000am. That is a good chunk of flying time during the day that could be used that isnt. Our first flight out in the am coming up in Mar will be at 545am. That means for the plane that sits until 10, you've lost about 4 hours of possible flying time. It depends on what kind of schedule they could build using better scenarios (rolling hub, etc) that wouldnt require a plane to sit until 10am departure to make a connecting bank when the earlier flight to the same place left at 6am.

As far as the other paragraph, I am not aware of any part time agents in TPA at least, with Southwest. I know their contract says they can use them, but they dont. On the other hand, with the current cutbacks in staffing, we are about at 50-50 FT/PT ratio (or very close). Regarding the other question about WN contract, I'd say most agents (CWA/FSA) would jump on it in a heartbeat. There are some differences that some people might not like, but the bottom line is WN agents TOP OUT at more than US agents. In fact, this is from the CWA website...

In the coming "Battle for PHL" US Airways execs have a big passenger service cost advantage over Southwest Airlines...
US Airways execs have a big advantage over Southwest in the Battle for PHL. Southwest passenger service salaries are currently about 6% higher than US Airways', and in the years from now until 2008 they will range from 9% higher to almost 19% higher, depending upon the year.
This is an incredible cost advantage for US Airways execs over Southwest.
To put this into perspective, US Airways execs will spend an average of $5,772 less than Southwest per agent, per year, at top rate.
When you multiply that by the entire passenger service workforce (about 6,000 agents and reps) US Airways will be spending an average of $34.6 Million per year less systemwide than Southwest for passenger service salaries at top rate.
The very large advantage in passenger service employee salaries, along with the concessions made by other US Airways employee groups, should allow US Airways executives to devise a business plan that will defeat Southwest at PHL.
The message: We gave our executives the tools to compete - now it's time to produce a winning business plan!
 
a320av8r said:
The problem is that we're working with the old Pennsylvania attitude.
The same one that put the steel mills and railroads under, the same one that has gangs running the ramp in PHL.
Its all about the NUMBER of jobs, not the QUALITY.

If you speak up you are summarily shot down.
No room for common sense.
We could work much smarter, not harder- but that would mean a new way of thinking.

NOT IN PENNSYLVANIA!

We've never done it that way before and we're sure as hell not going to start now. I'll let this company go under and then apply at a new carrier at 1/3 wages and no work rules first, but I'll have my pride!
:angry:
av8tor, grow up! Your attitude stinks, but seeing your avtar I am not surprised. The planes are red the bird is dead give it up already.
 
tadjr, Thanks for the reply. If you do a google search and read half the recent articles on US Airways you would think it was hopeless. It seems from your post that it isn't that bad and a lot of scheduling changes could enhance aircraft usage. I hope it works out you and everybody at US Airways.
 
"Part of the answer to the first paragraph is that we have planes that go to bed at 8pm at night and some that dont start out the next day until 930 or 1000am. That is a good chunk of flying time during the day that could be used that isnt. Our first flight out in the am coming up in Mar will be at 545am. That means for the plane that sits until 10, you've lost about 4 hours of possible flying time. It depends on what kind of schedule they could build using better scenarios (rolling hub, etc) that wouldnt require a plane to sit until 10am departure to make a connecting bank when the earlier flight to the same place left at 6am."

"To put this into perspective, US Airways execs will spend an average of $5,772 less than Southwest per agent, per year, at top rate.
When you multiply that by the entire passenger service workforce (about 6,000 agents and reps) US Airways will be spending an average of $34.6 Million per year less systemwide than Southwest for passenger service salaries at top rate."

REMOVE THIS POST IMMEDIATELY!!!! Tadjr has broken the code. THIS MUST NOT GET OUT!!!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

U's "cost structure" will NEVER match SWA's and not because of peanuts, stale jokes, and rampers who also push jets, it's because of the structural limitations of the hub and spoke system.

Hub and spoke banks DO provide a revenue premium for the airline. It is NOT the employees fault that he has absolutely NOTHING to do between banks. That is a management decision. U could adopt SWA's utilization rate and "rolling hub" philosophy TOMORROW. They choose not to. They'd rather show you how much more they spend on employee cost than SWA and browbeat you into another pay cut.
 
a320av8r said:
As an agent late 1976.
As a pilot early 1985, YOU?
You must have been thrilled when your group stapled the Empire guys. What a guy!
 
Bob, those priority tags never do anything unless you arrive at select destinations. Actually, the only time I've ever seen them do anything is in SEA, even to this day my bags come out first.
 
US Airways CEO says workers refuse to listen to his recovery plan

Wednesday, January 07, 2004
By Dan Fitzpatrick, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

A frustrated US Airways chief executive David Siegel lashed out at US Airways' unions yesterday, telling employees that a discussion of his anticipated recovery plan is "on hold" because of continued resistance from labor leaders.

Siegel had hoped to tell employees about the 2004 plan in an upcoming road show, but now the timing of those presentations is "up in the air," he said in a recorded message yesterday. He maintained that leaders of US Airways pilots, flight attendants and machinists unions have "said they have no interest in hearing the revised business plan or even having discussions with management on work rule and productivity changes."

See Post-Gazette article
 
Well, interesting take on Bronner's comments in the article. He has a point, though, about taking what value is there and liquidating. Wasn't it Wolf or someone like him that said US was worth more broken up than as a whole?
 

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