Gauntlet thrown down in PHL

[pitguy]

And ALPA...crossed the picket line...

Amfa has no friends in the labor movement...

Don't let the facts get in your way...


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ALPA crossed the US Airways mechanic's picket line in 1992. And the IAM has crossed the Northwest mechanic's picket line every day over the last six months. By doing this the IAM is helping drive down mechanic's wages across this country. The IAM is a SCAB union. Who wants to be part of a SCAB union? Every IAM member should be embarrassed.

 

[Crzipilot]

ALPA and AFA are both negotiating transition agreements, not a whole new section 6 contract.

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Strange, as ALPA is negotiating a complete new contract. They came to terms to a transition agreement, and are in negotiations regarding a complete new contract. Economic and noneconomic issues.....dunno what the others are doing.

 

[D M G]

Everyone should always work by the company's rules, policies and procedures, that is why they are there.

But people always like to take shortcuts.

Maybe the rest of the system works like that, but as we all know PHL is unique. We've always overlooked minor items, and in turn the company overlooked minor items that could have led to write-ups etc. One hand always washed the other in PHL. It also worked out good for FSA since at any time we could nitpick, and as long as everyone kept their noses clean we had leverage.

 

[NeedForSpeed]

easy, there PITGUY...Even though you are putting "FACTS" in the way...You just may get bulldozed......bamboosilled.....steamrolled....sent to the cornfield....CENSORED.....Be under a watchful eye.....

Ummmm...Did I make my point??

 

[awausairtech]

HAY 700 the BS of DOH has been set what more BS do we have to choke down, My Little Union Brother... or do I get a vote or do the related out vote a AMT on witch you ride on the shirt tails and HOLD US DOWN.

I HOPE THIS WAS NOT HARD TO SEE WERE I STAND..AMT AND IBT

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Strange, as ALPA is negotiating a complete new contract. They came to terms to a transition agreement, and are in negotiations regarding a complete new contract. Economic and noneconomic issues.....dunno what the others are doing.

Thank you!!!

CREDIBILITY? FACTS?

 

[700UW]

Funny according to ALPA's site they are negotiating a a combined contract and not Section 6 negotiations.

Do you know the differance?

Don't let the facts get in your way.

Right from the current issue of Airwaves:

It also helped to lay the groundwork so that the Joint Negotiating Committee could begin considering how to craft a combined contract and present proposals to US Airways management that would include the most appropriate language for both pilot groups.

Bill Pollack

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Funny according to ALPA's site they are negotiating a a combined contract and not Section 6 negotiations.

Do you know the differance?

Don't let the facts get in your way.

Right from the current issue of Airwaves:

Does it really make a difference? The fact that the groups are coming together for the betterment of their peers is GREAT!! No matter how or under which circumstances.

Why can't/couldn't the IBT and the IAM have done the same thing?

 

[700UW]

Because the ibt is raiding the IAM at US.

The differance both pilot groups are alpa and the AMT and related are two differant unions.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Because the ibt is raiding the IAM at US.

The differance both pilot groups are alpa and the AMT and related are two differant unions.

So because of the "raiding" at US, the members should have no say in their representation? I wouldn't agree with that at all. And that goes for all work groups that don't happen to be under the same union.......like the IAM & TWU.

Isn't "raiding" a standard practice between different unions? Why would that preclude the two unions from coming together??

 

[700UW]

Raiding is not standard practice, why do you think the ibt left the AFL-CIO?

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Raiding is not standard practice, why do you think the ibt left the AFL-CIO?

I guess our thoughts on raiding are different. I see it, in this case, as another union who ALSO represents members of the same company, campaigning and providing information so that the members can decide for themselves. As I have said quite a few times, the IAM has not provided (and I speak for only myself) me with one iota of information that was straight from a rep's mouth......even though the request was made numerous times, as I'm sure you are well aware of. The IBT has been most open and willing to share information and answer all questions that were asked, if an answer was possible. It appears to me that everyone thought that the IAM was a shoe-in.........based strictly on numbers. And that may not be the case. There seems to be an under-estimation of the members.

Now to re-ask the questions that you didn't answer:
So because of the "raiding" at US, the members should have no say in their representation?
Why would that (raiding) preclude the two unions from coming together??

 

[NeedForSpeed]

why do you think the ibt left the AFL-CIO?

They are a smarter union than the IAM????

Just a thought

 

[NeedForSpeed]

Because they were smart and want to grow the Labor movement instead of being an ongoing source of campaign contributions for do nothing Limosine Liberals politicians who never missed a meal.

WTF does Ted Kennedy know about being working class except for trying to bang the help?

You power doesn't come from Washington, it comes from a growing and expanding unionized workforce.

AFL-CIO gives tons of money to Washington. The IAM PAC: MACHINISTS NON PARTISAN POLITICAL LEAGUE donated $1,940,000 all but $25,000 to Democratic candidates. So much for non partisan. The bigger question is what did the members get for that?

As far as that goes what do IAM members get for their dues? R Buffenbarger earns in total compensation $260,603/yr versus John Sweeney who is President of the entire AFL-CIO who makes $277,785/yr. Also of note: IAM lost about 120,000 members from 2000 to 2005 yet net assets increased from $230 Million to $248 Million during that same time frame.

So what do you as a worker get for your dues money? Seems like the IAM is keeping it for themselves. With an 18 Million dollar increase in assets you'd think they would be out organizing instead of beating people to a pulp.

IAM - Beating the Competition! Severely!

BEUTIFUL!!!!!! Bravo!!

 

[PITbull]

Because they were smart and want to grow the Labor movement instead of being an ongoing source of campaign contributions for do nothing Limosine Liberals politicians who never missed a meal.

WTF does Ted Kennedy know about being working class except for trying to bang the help?

You power doesn't come from Washington, it comes from a growing and expanding unionized workforce.

AFL-CIO gives tons of money to Washington. The IAM PAC: MACHINISTS NON PARTISAN POLITICAL LEAGUE donated $1,940,000 all but $25,000 to Democratic candidates. So much for non partisan. The bigger question is what did the members get for that?

As far as that goes what do IAM members get for their dues? R Buffenbarger earns in total compensation $260,603/yr versus John Sweeney who is President of the entire AFL-CIO who makes $277,785/yr. Also of note: IAM lost about 120,000 members from 2000 to 2005 yet net assets increased from $230 Million to $248 Million during that same time frame.

So what do you as a worker get for your dues money? Seems like the IAM is keeping it for themselves. With an 18 Million dollar increase in assets you'd think they would be out organizing instead of beating people to a pulp.

IAM - Beating the Competition! Severely!

Don't let anyone kid you...MUCH POWER comes from Washington.

I think it unfair to knock Ted Kennedy because he is wealthy. The Kennedys have always been for the working class,for civil liberties, and minority equality. Ted Kennedy has been widly outpsoken and represents many issues that effect working Americans. You don't have to like him personally or politically, but he has been a unwaivering advocate for working Americans, reforming health care and protecting our social security. Those issues effect all workers in America and blue collar specifically.

You don't have to BE poor to represent working class.

The unions are very active on the "HILL" and legislative affairs. Lobbying is where the actions is. Having the representatives on your side, introducing legislation, and bringing light to the issues of labor is how change happens. And it cost plenty of money.

With regard to the Republicans, this year they are going to have a really tough time in November holding on to seats and I suspect that will be a good indication of what will take place in 2008. Don't forget, BUSH won his second term on a "shoe string".

I seriously think in retrospect that if the presidential elections would have occured 1 year later, the BUSH administration would have been TOAST. B) Nothing but a bunch of self-serving, arrogant, god-want-a-be's, narcissists and very dangerous people. I don't think folks are any less conservative as a nation, just think they are fed up with a Republican controlled House, Senate, and Administaration and all there ultra religious evangelical stance guiding every issue.

You know how I believe in "balance".