Wrong,
They got it at the time because US' majority stockholder and Chairman of the Board was the Head of the Retirement System of Alabama.
Stick to things you know, the airbus narrowbody work is now done in-house.
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They got it at the time because US' majority stockholder and Chairman of the Board was the Head of the Retirement System of Alabama.
Stick to things you know, the airbus narrowbody work is now done in-house.
I think people are confusing what the "Catch 22 " didin PHL with that of an old fashion Mafia Hit. I think something had been planned but they are smart enough to plan it properly, I.E. many said that Saddam had WMD, he did at one time, where they are now who knows but Saddam, do you think he wrote down or put on a map where they are/were. Like the IAM in PHL something was in the works when they got there and one may not be able to put a finger on any hsrd evidence.
With that said people are also confusing the IAM of their resposibility to defend them, the 22 have their rights under the grievance procedures, but that will only pertain to their firing, not a defense of criminal charges. If they can not convince the company that they were fired for no good reason, then those folks will be out of work quickly and anyone who risk their job to do a wildcat strike will be fired for attendance and I don't think there is an arbitraitor anywhere that would bring back a group of wild-catters for striking over these 22
With that said people are also confusing the IAM of their resposibility to defend them, the 22 have their rights under the grievance procedures, but that will only pertain to their firing, not a defense of criminal charges. If they can not convince the company that they were fired for no good reason, then those folks will be out of work quickly and anyone who risk their job to do a wildcat strike will be fired for attendance and I don't think there is an arbitraitor anywhere that would bring back a group of wild-catters for striking over these 22
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700 UW you have a secret admirer.
Of course his fire them all approach would only be used by someone as slimy as Siegel
Of course his fire them all approach would only be used by someone as slimy as Siegel
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I agree with you for once, and I don't blame the entire membership of the IAM for the acts of a few. The sad truth is they acted as IAM members when they staged this attack on the TWU reps, and did it for Union reasons. They thought they were going to prove their point, and make it appear as if they were being tough to save the members from losing something...Needless to say, all that was lost here is their jobs for being foolish enough to sign out of work,and head over to the Hotel in Uniform. This is the same mentality that has been intimidating many in PHL for years. I doubt there will be any tears shed for those involved in the attack by their fellow workers, more less any job action. 😉
I have a great deal of difficulty believing that higher ups at IAM had no prior knowledge given that alledgedly there was an AGC and a few Stewards present. For me it just doesn't pass the smell test.[/b]
AGC's don't neccesarily call bob roach and tell him they're going to a rally for another union..
its local level stuff.
IAM doesn't have an ops center for union overt/covert assaults.
Not necessarily?? Then the POSSIBILITY exists, doesn't it?
No ops center?? No wonder the whole incident is such a blunder. 😀
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Piney...
It's like a forest fire, nature has now rid itself of the "undergrowth", that has been hindering growth. I'd expect the IAM to distance themselves from the "Thug 22", as they really don't have a good defense.
But don't be so brutal on them, as it really wasn't planned by anyone other than this "Thug 22" group. It will be a better USAirways without these morons.
It's like a forest fire, nature has now rid itself of the "undergrowth", that has been hindering growth. I'd expect the IAM to distance themselves from the "Thug 22", as they really don't have a good defense.
But don't be so brutal on them, as it really wasn't planned by anyone other than this "Thug 22" group. It will be a better USAirways without these morons.
Well I think I've read enough of this politically correct BS.
The fact is what business does USAIR have getting involved in an incident that happened off their property between two unions?
The fact that the TWU ran to the company demanding termination speaks volumes about them, they are a company union. Its BS.
How many times have TWU officials gotten drunk on the members tab and punched each other out? Were they all fired? This is between two unions and the legal system. If they are not in jail and not convicted of a felony then they should be at work.
The fact is when I informed my coworkers about what happened not one said "Oh thats wrong, those guys should be fired". Most said it was good to see they have a little fight in them. In contrast to Littles remarks about how this incident reminds him of things that happened 50 years ago, and that we dont need to return to that, everyone I know said the opposite, that we do need to return to what workers did 50 years ago. 50 years ago workers were making gains, not giving away everything like we are. So called leaders like Jim Little with their management history, phony degrees and "pro company the workers are lucky to have a job mentality" are destroying the labor movement. In 2001 Jim Little actually told the members of Local 562 "You never want to reject a TA, because the company will never make a better offer". The man is a scab, now he is demanding that the company terminate several employees.
The injuries have been exaggerated, the news articles all said they were treated and released the same day. So the TWU is making a big deal about a little scuffle, because thats all they have.
The fact is I would rather have fighters than company friendly c#*ts like Little and the TWU looking out for me.
The boys in PHL and other stations should stand behind those involved, whether they agree with what they did or not, its none of the companys business and they should stay out of it. When you let the company step outside of the eight hours they are paying you you are setting a dangerous precident. What next? You didnt show up for church last Sunday-You're fired!!!!
The fact is what business does USAIR have getting involved in an incident that happened off their property between two unions?
The fact that the TWU ran to the company demanding termination speaks volumes about them, they are a company union. Its BS.
How many times have TWU officials gotten drunk on the members tab and punched each other out? Were they all fired? This is between two unions and the legal system. If they are not in jail and not convicted of a felony then they should be at work.
The fact is when I informed my coworkers about what happened not one said "Oh thats wrong, those guys should be fired". Most said it was good to see they have a little fight in them. In contrast to Littles remarks about how this incident reminds him of things that happened 50 years ago, and that we dont need to return to that, everyone I know said the opposite, that we do need to return to what workers did 50 years ago. 50 years ago workers were making gains, not giving away everything like we are. So called leaders like Jim Little with their management history, phony degrees and "pro company the workers are lucky to have a job mentality" are destroying the labor movement. In 2001 Jim Little actually told the members of Local 562 "You never want to reject a TA, because the company will never make a better offer". The man is a scab, now he is demanding that the company terminate several employees.
The injuries have been exaggerated, the news articles all said they were treated and released the same day. So the TWU is making a big deal about a little scuffle, because thats all they have.
The fact is I would rather have fighters than company friendly c#*ts like Little and the TWU looking out for me.
The boys in PHL and other stations should stand behind those involved, whether they agree with what they did or not, its none of the companys business and they should stay out of it. When you let the company step outside of the eight hours they are paying you you are setting a dangerous precident. What next? You didnt show up for church last Sunday-You're fired!!!!
Wrong,
The company pays them, the union pays the company back plus a fee per employee.
When off on union business you are working and being paid for by the union, not the company.
When off on union business you are not "simply" signed out.
It has to be submitted with approval from the local union designee and approved by US Management, you just don't go in and sign out.
The company pays them, the union pays the company back plus a fee per employee.
When off on union business you are working and being paid for by the union, not the company.
When off on union business you are not "simply" signed out.
It has to be submitted with approval from the local union designee and approved by US Management, you just don't go in and sign out.
What is Agrnecy Law?
Intimidation can take many forms. To me the economic terrorism that the airlines and courts used to screw their workers is just as bad as the violent intimidation that Henry Ford used to intimidate his employees.
Resistance to that intimidation may need to be expressed though violence since the courts, and our unions to a large extent, have stripped us of any other effective means of defending our families economic intrests.
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Ya know, PB, I would choose to be optimistic and hope that the "22 smack down" can make a difference. At least the myth of invincibility is gone. Sort of like what's going on in our culture everywhere: emperor's clothes are falling left and right. Things people used to accept as given are shown to be full of it. I think that's leading to anxious times, but also provides opportunity, if we can survive them.
Let's just hope that there are folks getting up every morning to go out to PHL to work for LCC that feel a little less bullied then they did before.
But I'm just speculating.
Bob Owens, I am usually pretty reserved and have not posted on this thread. I wasnt there and dont know anything other than what has been posted on this board but you my friend need to go back to the farm. If you are still on the farm you need to stop sniffing the manure and join civilization. The injuries have been exagerated? Why the **** were there ANY injuries. This should NEVER have escalated into a physical altercation of ANY kind. If most employees in PHL were glad to see a little fight in them, then we have much bigger problems in PHL than I thought. I was hoping it was just a few bad apples but from your post it sounds like its time to burn the orchard. I dont know of the legalities regarding the company firing the employees but I can bet you the company consulted attorneys before making the terminations. If they contest the firings Im sure they have some legal footing whereever the case ends up. Im not sure who would make a final decision. As far as going to church on Sunday, if they did maybe this would never have happened. We all know that within the industry employees have lost while uppermanagement has not but your solution is violence? And you think many agree with you? I would stand on a corner begging for money before I would degrade myself into agreeing with this thinking. I hope you rethink your position.
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When I read his post I was speachless. I didn't even know where to begin, but I think you said it pretty good yourself. Thank you.
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