George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin

[KCFlyer]

If Zimmerman’s MySpace and Facebook postings are scrutinized in court, Trayvon Martin’s will be too. Let it all come out!

Do you think a 30+ year old would post the same things a teenager would post on their facebook page? Still maintain that Martin would be alive had Zimmerfife not pursued him to "confront" him.

 

[signals]

...and he probably would have committed some other crime(s)

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Still maintain that Martin would be alive had Zimmerfife not pursued him to "confront" him.

Too bad that's not what the evidence suggests. Try again.

 

[KCFlyer]

Too bad that's not what the evidence suggests. Try again.

Oh...the 911 tape was pretty clear...Zimmerfife was told NOT to follow him, but apparently spied him and took it upon himself to disregard that advice and approach him. The 31 year old is the one who needed to exercise a little of that good old conservative "personal responsibility" and not pursue a kid who might react like....a kid in a schoolyard fight. The fact that Zimmerfife found him getting his ass kicked by a person half his age proves that. We expect an adult to act like an adult. But this adult with a gun had his "Smith and Wesson" courage with him, which trumped whatever damage a bag of skittles by a "hoodie wearing gangsta wannabe" could have done to him.

 

[Ms Tree]

Too bad that's not what the evidence suggests. Try again.

Is the evidence clairvoyant as to future acts? It does not matter what he might do, what we think he will do or what we are pretty sure he will do. Ask any womans shelter how easy/hard it is to get a TRO issued.


Past criminal acts are very rarely allowed in court. Past criminal acts are past and are not viewed as relevant because just because someone robbed once does not mean they did rob again. What does a week long drinking binge look like? The tox report did not indicate any alcohol so far as I am aware. It did indicate trace amounts of THC in his system that do not have any correlation to his level of intoxication. Trace amounts of THC can stay in the system for several week or even longer after consumption.


Zimmerman placed him self in harms way, fought his way out of it and them murdered Martin. Had Zimmerman stood down and waited for the cops, Martin would more than likely still be alive and Zimmerman would still be on patrol keeping the neighborhood safe.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Is the evidence clairvoyant as to future acts? It does not matter what he might do, what we think he will do or what we are pretty sure he will do. Ask any womans shelter how easy/hard it is to get a TRO issued.


Past criminal acts are very rarely allowed in court. Past criminal acts are past and are not viewed as relevant because just because someone robbed once does not mean they did rob again. What does a week long drinking binge look like? The tox report did not indicate any alcohol so far as I am aware. It did indicate trace amounts of THC in his system that do not have any correlation to his level of intoxication. Trace amounts of THC can stay in the system for several week or even longer after consumption.


Zimmerman placed him self in harms way, fought his way out of it and them murdered Martin. Had Zimmerman stood down and waited for the cops, Martin would more than likely still be alive and Zimmerman would still be on patrol keeping the neighborhood safe.

You didn't watch the video in Signals post did you? If you had, you would have noticed that I was talking about Jason Linkins, not Obama's son or Zimmerman.

Martin's family can't use Zimmerman past record if the Zimmerman family can’t use Martin’s. You and KC need to examine the evidence before running your mouths. It was Martin who returned to the scene, it was Martin who landed the first punch, it was Martin who was beating Zimmerman’s head on the concrete sidewalk, it was Zimmerman that had the broken nose and deep lacerations to the back of his head. It was Martin who became armed when he saw Zimmerman’s firearm. It was Zimmerman that was not allowed to exercise his "duty to retreat". Zimmerman did stand down after calling the police and Martin is the one who attacked Zimmerman.

 

[KCFlyer]

It was Zimmerman that was not allowed to exercise his "duty to retreat". Zimmerman did stand down after calling the police and Martin is the one who attacked Zimmerman.

Fife "stood down" until he caught site of Martin again. LIsten to the 9/11 call...first it's "meet the police at the mailbox", then it's "tell you what, have them call me when they get here". I read that to mean that he spotted Martin and was once again in hot pursuit.

 

[Ms Tree]

You didn't watch the video in Signals post did you? If you had, you would have noticed that I was talking about Jason Linkins, not Obama's son or Zimmerman.

Martin's family can't use Zimmerman past record if the Zimmerman family can’t use Martin’s. You and KC need to examine the evidence before running your mouths. It was Martin who returned to the scene, it was Martin who landed the first punch, it was Martin who was beating Zimmerman’s head on the concrete sidewalk, it was Zimmerman that had the broken nose and deep lacerations to the back of his head. It was Martin who became armed when he saw Zimmerman’s firearm. It was Zimmerman that was not allowed to exercise his "duty to retreat". Zimmerman did stand down after calling the police and Martin is the one who attacked Zimmerman.

Where exactly are you getting this precise time line of events. I was not aware that they had any witnesses that could pin it down to that degree. Granted I have not been following it that closely.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Fife "stood down" until he caught site of Martin again. LIsten to the 9/11 call...first it's "meet the police at the mailbox", then it's "tell you what, have them call me when they get here". I read that to mean that he spotted Martin and was once again in hot pursuit.

Read the transcript then tell me what context "have them call me when they get here" really meant. Oh, and during that "hot pursuit" you speak of, Martin took the time to call his girlfriend and explain what was going on.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Where exactly are you getting this precise time line of events. I was not aware that they had any witnesses that could pin it down to that degree. Granted I have not been following it that closely.

I have been keeping tabs on the investigation . . case law is something I really enjoy and study. You can learn a lot about the time line of events by looking at states evidence and Zimmerman's defense counsel.

 

[Ms Tree]

Holy crap!!! The defense team of Zimmerman is putting forth a time line that supports their client? Are you kidding me. That has never happened before. Great detective work.

So seriously. Are there any independent witnesses that can support the time line put forth by Zimmermans defense team? So far as I have read, there are a few people who have seen a few things bu who did what to whom first is still quite murky.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Holy crap!!! The defense team of Zimmerman is putting forth a time line that supports their client? Are you kidding me. That has never happened before. Great detective work.

So seriously. Are there any independent witnesses that can support the time line put forth by Zimmermans defense team? So far as I have read, there are a few people who have seen a few things bu who did what to whom first is still quite murky.

What time line are you looking for? The 7-11 video? The first call Zimmerman made to the police non-emergency number? The cell phone records of Zimmerman and Martin, The phone call records of people calling in complaints of an altercation. The 911 dispatch records?

What real argument do you have against the stated time line? Did you know Martin was stoned when Zimmerman made the comment to dispatchers that the "guy looks like he is on drugs"?

Oh, that's right, you haven't been keeping up.

 

[Ms Tree]

You made this statement:

It was Martin who returned to the scene, it was Martin who landed the first punch, it was Martin who was beating Zimmerman’s head on the concrete sidewalk, it was Zimmerman that had the broken nose and deep lacerations to the back of his head. It was Martin who became armed when he saw Zimmerman’s firearm. It was Zimmerman that was not allowed to exercise his "duty to retreat". Zimmerman did stand down after calling the police and Martin is the one who attacked Zimmerman

I want to know where the evidence is to support this time line or chain of events. I have not seen anything in what little I have read about the case.


Still up to your same old BS I see. Throwing stuff out there with out any research and hoping no one else figures it out. Martin was not stoned nor was he even close (that's why the prosecution wants it excluded because it would be prejudicial). As far as I can tell, CO passed [background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]HB11-1261 that says the legal limit for THC intoxication is ..... wait for it ..........wait for it ......... 5 ng. Now, trick question. Which is higher 1.7 ng or 5 ng? [/background]


Residue from THC can stay in the system for weeks after use. To say that Martin was "stoned (your words not anyone else although the defense would surly like to imply that) is like saying someone is drunk after 1 beer.

What exactly is the legal standard of "he looks like he is on drugs"? Especially given that the level of THC in Martins Tox report would have allowed him to drive a car in CO.

What argument do I have against your/the defense time line? Seriously? How about the fact that there is little to no proof that it is the time line or chain of events that transpired? How about the fact that no one knows who swung first. Who took the gun out? Zimmerman could have swung first or threatened Martin and Martin had to either fight or flee. Hard to flee from a gun so he fought and won. Zimmernan could have been reaching for his gun because he was loosing the fight and they struggled for the gun and Martin got shot. Given that there are no witnesses who had a clear view of what was going on, the timeline/chain of events has multiple possibilities.

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[KCFlyer]

Read the transcript then tell me what context "have them call me when they get here" really meant. Oh, and during that "hot pursuit" you speak of, Martin took the time to call his girlfriend and explain what was going on.

Actually listening to the tape puts that "call me" quote in a better context. A lot gets lost in the written word...kind of like sarcasm (hot pursuit) doesn't translate well. You can pretty much tell in the tape that Fife caught site of Martin....that's why he had asked them to call...why head back to mailboxes when the perp is right there.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

You made this statement:



I want to know where the evidence is to support this time line or chain of events. I have not seen anything in what little I have read about the case.


Still up to your same old BS I see. Throwing stuff out there with out any research and hoping no one else figures it out. Martin was not stoned nor was he even close (that's why the prosecution wants it excluded because it would be prejudicial). As far as I can tell, CO passed [background=rgb(250, 250, 250)]HB11-1261 that says the legal limit for THC intoxication is ..... wait for it ..........wait for it ......... 5 ng. Now, trick question. Which is higher 1.7 ng or 5 ng? [/background]


Residue from THC can stay in the system for weeks after use. To say that Martin was "stoned (your words not anyone else although the defense would surly like to imply that) is like saying someone is drunk after 1 beer.

What exactly is the legal standard of "he looks like he is on drugs"? Especially given that the level of THC in Martins Tox report would have allowed him to drive a car in CO.

What argument do I have against your/the defense time line? Seriously? How about the fact that there is little to no proof that it is the time line or chain of events that transpired? How about the fact that no one knows who swung first. Who took the gun out? Zimmerman could have swung first or threatened Martin and Martin had to either fight or flee. Hard to flee from a gun so he fought and won. Zimmernan could have been reaching for his gun because he was loosing the fight and they struggled for the gun and Martin got shot. Given that there are no witnesses who had a clear view of what was going on, the timeline/chain of events has multiple possibilities.

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Show me the evidence you have, beyond a doubt that Zimmerman didn't act in self-defense.