George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin

[Ifly2]

Show the evidence you have, to the same standard you demand, that he did.

You can't.

That is why there is going to be a trial. With no eyewitnesses to the entire event, it will be imperfect, and based n who tells/sells their story the best, and one party's supporters are going to claim robbery and a miscarriage of justice, a la Simpson, whatever the jury decides.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Show the evidence you have, to the same standard you demand, that he did.

You can't.

That is why there is going to be a trial. With no eyewitnesses to the entire event, it will be imperfect, and based n who tells/sells their story the best, and one party's supporters are going to claim robbery and a miscarriage of justice, a la Simpson, whatever the jury decides.

You didn't provide evidence, you just shot your month off hoping your low info friends would eat it up. Typical. Of course there's that thing called forensic science that doesn't play so well with your version of the story. So what you are saying Tree is that the State doesn't have the evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and that Zimmerman asked in self-defense.

 

[Ifly2]

Again, i am not tree

And, no, I am not saying that. At all

I am saying what I said.

Maybe reading for comprehension is not your strong suit

I didnt provide any evidence

Nor did I pretend to

I have none

I am not the investigator, prosecutor, or defense

I asked you to provide the same info you demanded of others

You didn't

Still

Because you can't

Still

You of course did shoot off with yet more ridiculous comments about me being tree, and deriding low info voters... Most of whom are FOX viewers, btw, according to all of the evidence/research that exists on that subject

I stated an opinion regarding the trial

A trial that I really haven't followed much, as it will be decided in a courtroom, by citizens doing their duty. It really has nothing to do with voting, or liberal or conservative thought.

An opinion

You can't even debate that

All you have got is more smart-aleck nonsense

Zero substance

The Beav's on

 

[Ms Tree]

Show me the evidence you have, beyond a doubt that Zimmerman didn't act in self-defense.

There is none as for how confrontation went down and that is what I have been saying. You were the one who posted a statement as to who started what. So prove it.

The only thing that is known is that Martin had not and was not doing anything illegal that night. Zimmerman pursued him. A confrontation took place in which Martin ended up dead. Had Zimmerman stayed Im his car Martin would have been alive.

Beyond that it is all speculation.

How can any one claim self defense if you initiated the pursuit? That is where the FL castle defense will come into play in my opinion. Their twisted law does not require a person in public to retreat if possible.

 

[Ms Tree]

You didn't provide evidence, you just shot your month off hoping your low info friends would eat it up. Typical. Of course there's that thing called forensic science that doesn't play so well with your version of the story. So what you are saying Tree is that the State doesn't have the evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt and that Zimmerman asked in self-defense.

You are talking about low information where you are the one who said Martin was stoned with THC level of 1.7 ng. That is rich.

As I have been saying from the start I think that given the FL castle law the prosecution will have a very hard time of it. Martin is dead and all Fisherman has ti day is he feared for his life and if the jury buys it..... He skates.

The part that makes ko sense to me is how someone who initiates a pursuit can even entertain the idea of self defense.

 

[Ifly2]

So what if he was "stoned"?

Which apparently he wasn't

Stoned people are much less dangerous, on the whole, than scared armed people.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

You are talking about low information where you are the one who said Martin was stoned with THC level of 1.7 ng. That is rich.

As I have been saying from the start I think that given the FL castle law the prosecution will have a very hard time of it. Martin is dead and all Fisherman has ti day is he feared for his life and if the jury buys it..... He skates.

The part that makes ko sense to me is how someone who initiates a pursuit can even entertain the idea of self defense.

Good, now I have the opportunity to ask both of you "At what point is a person who smokes pot or drinks alcohol impaired? Does it start after the first hit or drink or do you have to smoke a bag of weed or case of beer before the impairment begins?

The reason it matters in this case is because science has proven that ones ability to make sound judgments and observations diminish the second the body is exposed to either. That's a fact that should not be ignored. Zimmerman's defense team wants the jury to know that Martin was under the influence of a drug, no matter what drug it was or amount in the body. Impairment may have played a large role in how Martin reacted to the legal probing by Zimmerman. The defense will also submit evidence that, contrary to what the Martin family has stated, Martin was an experienced fighter and juvenile delinquent who had been banned from school for having drug paraphernalia and had been in trouble with the law.

Zimmerman's defense team has to overcome the negative media misrepresentation by NBC news who edited audio tapes (a lawsuit pending) to make it appear Zimmerman was a racist. I noticed you haven't made a comment about the fairness of that. Zimmerman has passed three lie detector test and all the forensic evidence suggest that the incident went down exactly as he has stated.

I don't think either of you are aware, or care for that matter, that Zimmerman has been railroaded and his jury pool tainted by false and misleading media reports and race baiters. You don't seem to care if he gets a fair trial or not.

IMO Martin got exactly what he deserved and If he would have attacked me I would have done the same thing.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

So what if he was "stoned"?

Which apparently he wasn't

Stoned people are much less dangerous, on the whole, than scared armed people.

You must be one of those super smart progressives that believes in science, but only when it suits your lifestyle or political agenda . . . like global warming.

"Stoned people are much less dangerous, on the whole, than scared armed people" - and stupid. Trayvon had pictures of him smoking pot, looking for guns and fighting. Any questions?

 

[Knotbuyinit]

The part that makes ko sense to me is how someone who initiates a pursuit can even entertain the idea of self defense.

Trayvon didn't understand either. You simple can't put your hands on anybody, pursuit or not. That ignorance of the law didn't work out to well for Trayvon now did it?

 

[Ms Tree]

Good, now I have the opportunity to ask both of you "At what point is a person who smokes pot or drinks alcohol impaired? Does it start after the first hit or drink or do you have to smoke a bag of weed or case of beer before the impairment begins?

The reason it matters in this case is because science has proven that ones ability to make sound judgments and observations diminish the second the body is exposed to either. That's a fact that should not be ignored. Zimmerman's defense team wants the jury to know that Martin was under the influence of a drug, no matter what drug it was or amount in the body. Impairment may have played a large role in how Martin reacted to the legal probing by Zimmerman. The defense will also submit evidence that, contrary to what the Martin family has stated, Martin was an experienced fighter and juvenile delinquent who had been banned from school for having drug paraphernalia and had been in trouble with the law.

Zimmerman's defense team has to overcome the negative media misrepresentation by NBC news who edited audio tapes (a lawsuit pending) to make it appear Zimmerman was a racist. I noticed you haven't made a comment about the fairness of that. Zimmerman has passed three lie detector test and all the forensic evidence suggest that the incident went down exactly as he has stated.

I don't think either of you are aware, or care for that matter, that Zimmerman has been railroaded and his jury pool tainted by false and misleading media reports and race baiters. You don't seem to care if he gets a fair trial or not.

IMO Martin got exactly what he deserved and If he would have attacked me I would have done the same thing.

According to Colorado you need 5 ng of THC in your system to be impaired.

I am sure if Zimmeman believes that is what happen he would pass a lie detector. whether that is what actually happened is different story.

Again I ask how can someone claim self defense when they initiated the pursuit? Were it not for the FL castle law he would have had a duty to retreat and this would be a non issue.

 

[Ms Tree]

Trayvon didn't understand either. You simple can't put your hands on anybody, pursuit or not. That ignorance of the law didn't work out to well for Trayvon now did it?

Do you know that Martin did not act in self defense? Do you know who initiated the confrontation?

 

[Ifly2]

That was just an observation re human nature

I know lots of folks who carry

And a few who smoke

Not scientific, just an observation

I'm not even taking sides

I hope the trial arrives at the truth, for the good of everyone

Since you mentioned it, What is "legal probing"

Is that anything like harassment?

Or provocation?

Or assault?

Or battery?

I don't know

Neither do you

There are no eyewitnesses

There is only he said/he said, and one of the he is dead, so the other he can say whatever he wants, with no rebuttal.

You have already made up your mind, without hearing, or being willing to listen, to all the evidence, testimony, cross examination, etc.

Hopefully the jury will do better, and the judge, the lawyers on both sides, and investigative bodies are more interested in the truth and justice than in proving their own unrelated, political and ideological point.


Your claim that you can't put your hands on someone, even in light of "pursuit", says that Martin was not entitled to defend himself from Zimmerman. Do you knoe Zimmerman had not flashed, or otherwise made the gun known?

Would that be threatening behavior?

Possibly justifying action in self defense on Martin's part?

You simply do not know.

Only one man alive knows, and we know what his story is and will be.

That doesn't necessarily make it the truth, while it may be.

That is why there will be a trial.

All you are doing is buying into the story that supports your preconceived notions.

In spite of your screen name

That is exactly what you are doing

The Beav is calling

 

[Ms Tree]

According to the FL castle law if you are out in public not doing anything illegal and you feel threatened you are allowed to defend your self up to and including lethal force. You have no duty to retreat.

Prove to me that Martin was not in fear for his life. Prove that Zimmeman was not in fear for his life?

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Do you know that Martin did not act in self defense? Do you know who initiated the confrontation?

Based on the evidence, Martin was the aggressor and initiated the confrontation.

 

[Ms Tree]

Based on the evidence, Martin was the aggressor and initiated the confrontation.

What evidence?