George Zimmerman's medical report

[delldude]

You guys bring a new level to the forums......

 

[SparrowHawk]

You guys bring a new level to the forums......

Perhaps we should also note in the Liberal rush to scapegoat, that Mr Zimmerman has passed 2 lie detector tests.

The test results are part of the latest round of evidence made public by the office of Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey, who charged Zimmerman in April with second-degree murder.

Zimmerman has pleaded not guilty and said he was acting in self defense when he shot and killed the teen. Zimmerman submitted to a type of test called a computer voice stress analysis. The analysis underscores changes in speech to simple yes or no questions.

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[delldude]

Perhaps we should also note in the Liberal rush to scapegoat, that Mr Zimmerman has passed 2 lie detector tests.

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[Ms Tree]

If you read my post and those previous I believe he should be found guilty under normal SYG laws. Nothing has changed with regard to that.

If you read section 3 of the SYG law in FL you will see that their law is quite unique. The Florida SYG law is unique (as far as i am aware) in that the ground one is entitled to stand on moves. Most SYG laws are for.home and property (such as your car). They do not travel with you as the law allows in Florida.

I have little doubt that Zimmerman believes is version and according to Florida state law if he felt threatened then I think there is a good chance he will be aquited since Martin is not present to testify that he also felt threatened Zimmerman story is uncontested.

Under normal SYG laws Zimmerman would have had the duty to retreat and not pursue Martin. Florida law does not have that requirement and it allows zimmerman to place bit self.in a situation that makes him feel threatened and then commit murder.

From what i understand about the Florida law is that zimmerman must prove he was in fear for his life. If he can prove that he has a good chance of being aquited.

I do not agree with the law and in any other state zimmerman would likly face jail time for manslaughter at the very least.

 

[southwind]

HEY 'DIP-SHITE"

Hows your BOY (uncle) Herman Cain doin' these days ????????

What does that have to do with your President being a "White" African American ?

BTW...........How much of a pay-cut do you expect to take when AA turns your pension over to the PBGC ? Maybe you should tell the "Annointed One" you were in the union and he'll fix it for ya' !

 

[Knotbuyinit]

If you read my post and those previous I believe he should be found guilty under normal SYG laws. Nothing has changed with regard to that.

If you read section 3 of the SYG law in FL you will see that their law is quite unique. The Florida SYG law is unique (as far as i am aware) in that the ground one is entitled to stand on moves. Most SYG laws are for.home and property (such as your car). They do not travel with you as the law allows in Florida.

I have little doubt that Zimmerman believes is version and according to Florida state law if he felt threatened then I think there is a good chance he will be aquited since Martin is not present to testify that he also felt threatened Zimmerman story is uncontested.

Under normal SYG laws Zimmerman would have had the duty to retreat and not pursue Martin. Florida law does not have that requirement and it allows zimmerman to place bit self.in a situation that makes him feel threatened and then commit murder.

From what i understand about the Florida law is that zimmerman must prove he was in fear for his life. If he can prove that he has a good chance of being aquited.

I do not agree with the law and in any other state zimmerman would likly face jail time for manslaughter at the very least.

Yes, I’ve read and understand Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” laws and more to the point, Stat. 776.012 and 776.013.

We’ve already discussed this on the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman thread at post #34.

Wrong, “the ground one is entitled to stand on” doesn’t “move”!

Stand Your Ground laws apply whether you’re standing on your private property or on public property.

“Duty to retreat” only applies to public property life or death situations. When a life or death situation occurs on your private property, you (property owner) have no “duty to retreat” to a secure location.

I really can’t explain why you have a hard time understanding the law.

 

[zoot]

Yes, I’ve read and understand Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” laws and more to the point, Stat. 776.012 and 776.013.

We’ve already discussed this on the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman thread at post #34.

Wrong, “the ground one is entitled to stand on” doesn’t “move”!

Stand Your Ground laws apply whether you’re standing on your private property or on public property.

“Duty to retreat” only applies to public property life or death situations. When a life or death situation occurs on your private property, you (property owner) have no “duty to retreat” to a secure location.

I really can’t explain why you have a hard time understanding the law.

Real easy, if you follow their posts, it becomes quite apparent they are an expert .

 

[zoot]

If you read my post and those previous I believe he should be found guilty under normal SYG laws. Nothing has changed with regard to that.

If you read section 3 of the SYG law in FL you will see that their law is quite unique. The Florida SYG law is unique (as far as i am aware) in that the ground one is entitled to stand on moves. Most SYG laws are for.home and property (such as your car). They do not travel with you as the law allows in Florida.

I have little doubt that Zimmerman believes is version and according to Florida state law if he felt threatened then I think there is a good chance he will be aquited since Martin is not present to testify that he also felt threatened Zimmerman story is uncontested.

Under normal SYG laws Zimmerman would have had the duty to retreat and not pursue Martin. Florida law does not have that requirement and it allows zimmerman to place bit self.in a situation that makes him feel threatened and then commit murder.

From what i understand about the Florida law is that zimmerman must prove he was in fear for his life. If he can prove that he has a good chance of being aquited.

I do not agree with the law and in any other state zimmerman would likly face jail time for manslaughter at the very least.

George Zimmerman has said repeatedly that he was fighting for his life the night he killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old who was found with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles. He was punched in the nose. His head was slammed repeatedly into the sidewalk. His mouth and nose were covered by Martin. But when Zimmerman sat for his final interview with Sanford Police detectives Christopher Serino and Doris Singleton, he was confronted with a pesky perception. His injuries didn’t match the severity of the story he told.[...]
Zimmerman’s cuts and lacerations were “not really coinciding with being slammed hard into the ground,” Serino said. “Skull fractures usually happen with that. I’ve seen them all.” Later in the interview, the detective apparently showed Zimmerman a piece of paper or a photograph and noted, “Once again, these are your defensive wounds, which are essentially nonexistent. I’m looking for bruising and scrapings and I don’t see. . . . You fared pretty well, probably because you had long sleeves on. . .”[...]
“What do you think his motivation was? The kid had no violent background. No violent tendencies that we can find,” Serino said. “What made him snap? He’s not on drugs. Can you fill in that blank? . . . What do you think set him off?” Serino asked.
“I don’t know,” Zimmerman replied.[...]
Serino concludes this line of inquiry with an instantly memorable line. “I want to know, everybody wants to know, what set him off. He’s not on PCP. He’s not on anything. He’s on Skittles.”

 

[Ms Tree]

Yes, I’ve read and understand Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” laws and more to the point, Stat. 776.012 and 776.013.

We’ve already discussed this on the Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman thread at post #34.

Wrong, “the ground one is entitled to stand on” doesn’t “move”!

Stand Your Ground laws apply whether you’re standing on your private property or on public property.

“Duty to retreat” only applies to public property life or death situations. When a life or death situation occurs on your private property, you (property owner) have no “duty to retreat” to a secure location.

I really can’t explain why you have a hard time understanding the law.

And I cannot explain why you have such a difficult time understanding why the FL statute is unique and causing a problem.


I am not discussing private property. I do not care about private property as the Martin case has nothing to do with private property so I do not know why you keep bring it up. This is about being in public.


Yes the ground does move. The FL statute allows me to pursue you down public streets and ally ways for what ever reason I choose so long as my actions are legal. If my actions scare you to the point that you turn on me and threaten me you are able to do so because you feel threatened and are allowed to stand your ground. Thing is now I feel threatened and I am now allowed to stand my ground as well. The law allows both of us to stand our ground. Last one standing wins. No other state has a statute like this. The laws in the rest of the states would have required both to retreat.


Zimmerman chased Martin. Zimmerman placed him self in the situation where he felt threatened. Normally he would have had a duty to retreat. He had the opportunity to do so and chose not to. How he ca choose not to retreat and yet still feel threatened can only exist in FL.


Lastly, SYG laws in other states do not apply on public property in the manner that the FL statute does. Florida removed the duty to retreat from their statute. Every other state says that if you retreated and are still feeling threatened, then you have the right to defend your self. Florida does not have that requirement. That is why Zimmerman was able to pursue Martin and not have the requirement to retreat.


If you do not get this then you will have to wait for the case to go to trial and let them explain it to you because I am done.

 

[Ms Tree]

George Zimmerman has said repeatedly that he was fighting for his life the night he killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old who was found with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles. He was punched in the nose. His head was slammed repeatedly into the sidewalk. His mouth and nose were covered by Martin. But when Zimmerman sat for his final interview with Sanford Police detectives Christopher Serino and Doris Singleton, he was confronted with a pesky perception. His injuries didn’t match the severity of the story he told.[...]
Zimmerman’s cuts and lacerations were “not really coinciding with being slammed hard into the ground,” Serino said. “Skull fractures usually happen with that. I’ve seen them all.” Later in the interview, the detective apparently showed Zimmerman a piece of paper or a photograph and noted, “Once again, these are your defensive wounds, which are essentially nonexistent. I’m looking for bruising and scrapings and I don’t see. . . . You fared pretty well, probably because you had long sleeves on. . .”[...]
“What do you think his motivation was? The kid had no violent background. No violent tendencies that we can find,” Serino said. “What made him snap? He’s not on drugs. Can you fill in that blank? . . . What do you think set him off?” Serino asked.
“I don’t know,” Zimmerman replied.[...]
Serino concludes this line of inquiry with an instantly memorable line. “I want to know, everybody wants to know, what set him off. He’s not on PCP. He’s not on anything. He’s on Skittles.”

Size and armament does not necessarily dictate the level of threat. Martin could have been a martial arts expert, could have ad a knife, small hand gun, stun gun …. or anything else. He could have just got lucky and got the better of Zimmerman. The fact that Martin was not armed and did not have any violent history will work against Zimmerman in my opinion. From what I have read it will boil down to whether or not Zimmerman can convince a jury that he was justified in feeling threatened. I have read some arguments that have said he does not even really need to justify it. The FL statute does not require justification, you just need to feel it and you can take your threat out.


Hopefully the FL state legislature will re-evaluate the statute and modify it. Given their past history (Terri Shivo any one?) I will not hold my breath.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

George Zimmerman has said repeatedly that he was fighting for his life the night he killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 17-year-old who was found with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles. He was punched in the nose. His head was slammed repeatedly into the sidewalk. His mouth and nose were covered by Martin. But when Zimmerman sat for his final interview with Sanford Police detectives Christopher Serino and Doris Singleton, he was confronted with a pesky perception. His injuries didn’t match the severity of the story he told.[...]
Zimmerman’s cuts and lacerations were “not really coinciding with being slammed hard into the ground,” Serino said. “Skull fractures usually happen with that. I’ve seen them all.” Later in the interview, the detective apparently showed Zimmerman a piece of paper or a photograph and noted, “Once again, these are your defensive wounds, which are essentially nonexistent. I’m looking for bruising and scrapings and I don’t see. . . . You fared pretty well, probably because you had long sleeves on. . .”[...]
“What do you think his motivation was? The kid had no violent background. No violent tendencies that we can find,” Serino said. “What made him snap? He’s not on drugs. Can you fill in that blank? . . . What do you think set him off?” Serino asked.
“I don’t know,” Zimmerman replied.[...]
Serino concludes this line of inquiry with an instantly memorable line. “I want to know, everybody wants to know, what set him off. He’s not on PCP. He’s not on anything. He’s on Skittles.”

First off, let me comment on your "unarmed" assumption. Once Martin made an attempt to go for Zimmerman's concealed firearm, he is no longer considered "unarmed".

It's irreverent what food snacks or drinks Martin had in his possession. Martin was in possession of a smart phone, a phone that he used to call his girlfriend instead of the police. Zimmerman used his phone to call the police.

Exactly how was Zimmerman to know that Martin had no violet tendencies, or background? For that matter, how was Zimmerman to know Martin was on suspension, . . for violation of school drug zero tolerance policies or that Martin served a previous suspension for possessing instruments of crime?

What relevance is the degree of injuries to Zimmerman to his decision to use deadly force to survive? Zimmerman clearly could not retreat from the situation and therefore had legal justification to use deadly force. Obviously, a person would make that decision before they are beaten to death, not after.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

And I cannot explain why you have such a difficult time understanding why the FL statute is unique and causing a problem.


I am not discussing private property. I do not care about private property as the Martin case has nothing to do with private property so I do not know why you keep bring it up. This is about being in public.


Yes the ground does move. The FL statute allows me to pursue you down public streets and ally ways for what ever reason I choose so long as my actions are legal. If my actions scare you to the point that you turn on me and threaten me you are able to do so because you feel threatened and are allowed to stand your ground. Thing is now I feel threatened and I am now allowed to stand my ground as well. The law allows both of us to stand our ground. Last one standing wins. No other state has a statute like this. The laws in the rest of the states would have required both to retreat.


Zimmerman chased Martin. Zimmerman placed him self in the situation where he felt threatened. Normally he would have had a duty to retreat. He had the opportunity to do so and chose not to. How he ca choose not to retreat and yet still feel threatened can only exist in FL.


Lastly, SYG laws in other states do not apply on public property in the manner that the FL statute does. Florida removed the duty to retreat from their statute. Every other state says that if you retreated and are still feeling threatened, then you have the right to defend your self. Florida does not have that requirement. That is why Zimmerman was able to pursue Martin and not have the requirement to retreat.


If you do not get this then you will have to wait for the case to go to trial and let them explain it to you because I am done.

You don't know my background and believe me, you're still confused.

You said "most SYG laws are for.home and property (such as your car). They do not travel with you as the law allows in Florida."

Yes, SYG applies to private property (as in Castle Doctrine) and public property where "duty to retreat" applies! All covered under SYG laws.

You will not discuss it because you don't understand it. That's clear.

 

[eolesen]

Hows your BOY (uncle) Herman Cain doin' these days ????????

Herman's getting ready to take over Neil Boortz's radio show on all those "angry white man radio" stations you guys want the FCC to shut down. He's been doing a daily call-in segment and has filled in a couple times lately. I've heard him, and he does pretty well behind the microphone -- the station I listen to put Boortz on in place of Bimbaugh.

http://blogs.ajc.com/radio-tv-talk/2012/06/04/neal-boortz-announces-retirement/