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Now that all the conjecture is over with UA where does this leave us?

Can fleet size be reduced - are planes going to be parked?

From the "rumor van" from the Daze Inn it sounds like 73s are going away.

East/west this affects us all - "shrinking to profitability"?

Thoughts?
 
Now that all the conjecture is over with UA where does this leave us?

Can fleet size be reduced - are planes going to be parked?

From the "rumor van" from the Daze Inn it sounds like 73s are going away.

East/west this affects us all - "shrinking to profitability"?

Thoughts?

The product is positioned wrong

The product is not well thought out

The great people that make the airline fly are not being utilized to their fullest potential

The company's leadership has it priorities in the wrong place.

Commoditized products are the ones that get hit the hardest during an economy like this....

The future will be an interesting one, for sure. The only thing constant is change....and embracing change as well as instigating change is the key to life.

I realize I'm just an elitist....but these things are true. Hopefully, SOMEONE in charge gets it.
 
I was hoping for a less Ftalk answer and for a more hard number answer - but any will do - elitist or otherwise.

Okay....I'm enjoying the trading of thoughts we have going here....

So, lets talk biz...and for the record, I don't participate over at FT...a little too vanilla and chocolate for me...but for some reason there seems to be this need to talk down to me? I dunno...

Okay...lets examine strategies and tactics...and the very guts and innards of truly positioning a product. I'll leave the "do we park the 73's and specific tactical questions to the micro-managers out there who know a lot about a little.

STATEGIES - This is the "big picture" course of action..."the war" if you will, the big picture. "STATEGICALLY," what are the options US has? Is the product positioned correctly? Does the product fill a need? Is the product's position such that it can generate revenue? Can the product generate revenue during a "downturn" like we (allegedly) have now?

TACTICS - These are the actions specificially designed or targeted towards accomplishing the big picture...."the battles" if you will. "TATICALLY," what are actions US takes in light of it's new strategy?

THE PRODUCT - There are the "5 P's" of marketing....and at the end of the day, I realize pilots and F/A's don't care much about this stuff...but in order to be great pilots and F/As, you NEED pax....and pax need great pilots and F/As. To be clear, one doesn't exist without the other....

PRODUCT - In this case, a seat on an airplane, cargo, clubs, etc...that's the product.

POSITIONING - Who is the product targeted to?

PRICE - What's the price of the product? What does the price of the product say about the product? What happens if that AMC Gremlin is for sale at $50K? Any buyers or believers? What if that new Cadillac is $2K? Anyone wonder "what's wrong?"

PACKAGING - How is the product wrapped, sold and delievered?

PROMOTION - How do you promot your product to drive attention to it?

So, here are the bigger, more important questions...."where does this product and company fit in the big picture as a stand alone entitiy? Are the products offered set up and positioned to feed the company's need to "wage war" in the market place? What strategies offer the best chance to make the realization of the product's design come true? What tactics does the company take, both long and short term, to get to the goal and make the strategies work?

To your original point...."shrinking to profitability?" Is that a strategy or a tactic? How would shrinking fit with the positioning of the product? How does a volume/margin game fit within these confines? In a truly micro-managed world, would parking the 73's (tactically) get the company to where it wants to go long term?

For the 250th Billion time....THE PRODUCT....the very heart and main artery that puts food on the table for employees is not well thought out. Commodities are a HORRIFIC way to go. COUNTLESS books have been written about how waging war on price is a stupid way to do it...yet, this company has, at least, not been forthright in terms of pricing....at worst, outright lied. The "Business Casual" approach was a STRATEGY that has absolutely NOT worked....its the "New Coke" of the airline business. EVERY airline, even the likes of WN and B6 have gone in different directions.

Now....will shrinking help the positioning of the product? Will parking 737s make this horriffic downturn survivable? How on earth WOULD ANYONE know? To suggest it would is, at best, a wild guess without having all the information...and I would suggest, that is a "Flyer Talk/Randy Peterson" sophomoric conversation.

Instead, get to the heart of the matter...HOW does this company change to compete and to offer a product people will buy, regardless of the economy and how terrible it is...

How was that from an elitist/smug/cavalier/unrealistic/Ftalk person?
 
The rumor going around the West is that they will be offering VF's and parking more planes than previously planned after the summer travel season. Again, it is a rumor...
 
How about 'shrinking into oblivion'?

You're going away....been dying since 1988. :down:


Why would someone (obviously from another airline) say that to us on a USAirways thread?

To quote a previous poster & Mr. Welch to Sen. McCarthy....

"Have you no sense of decency ,Sir?"
 
:huh: Here are my two cents worth!!!

I think US has a good product for the conditions that we work under and the low price competiiton. Most consumers really do go for price more than anything and that will be more common now with our everyday lives becoming more and more expensive. We have to keep fares at a level that is competitive, yet profitable...keep your costs low.

We need to reduce domestic capacity :angry: This is not as simple as "parking 737's" in my opinion. Markets and frquency of markets and operating a flight that isn't profitable will have to be cut, i don't think a/c type will play a big role here, unless leases are up for renewal.

Ala Carte pricing may or may not work...it's worth a try to generate revenue, selling more items.

We have to friendly and nice to our customer. 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 I've noticed lots of "indifference" out there when I non-rev, seems more predominant on one side over the other.

Get us a contract!!!
 
I've noticed lots of "indifference" out there when I non-rev, seems more predominant on one side over the other.

1. That is East/West flame bait.

2. Now that I'm an "outsider," I get to enjoy HK seats and fly on other airlines, and even occasionally on US (East and West) when I have to. Put down your Kool Aid; that "indifference" (AKA rudeness) you describe is pervasive on BOTH sides. PHX, I hate to tell you, is no more pleasant than a trip through PHL. PHX employees just have a different accent. And the airport is just as big of a hassle and a dump and the walk between gates is just as long or longer. I'm just calling them like I see them.

3. That "indifference" exists at other airlines, too. Doesn't make it right, but it exists. I will tell you, however, my experience has been that it seems to show up more frequently at US than at other carriers.

4. Apathy toward the customer is not limited to the airline industry. Have you ever called Time Warner Cable? Bank of America? Alltel? (they really suck) Dealt with the DMV? Ordered from a drive-thru? Capital One?

5. US' product is inferior. Maybe that's what Tempe wants. Maybe that's what they are going for. But they don't have the fares to back it up. They haven't, in my opinion, figured out who they want to be when they grow up.

I have found that DL, which I fly most often now, has roughly the same fare. For that, I get a seat of similar pitch and width. I get a Diet Coke. I get a seatbelt and a barf bag. The similarities stop there. But DL's clean. Often it's leather. Often it has seatback video, depending on A/C type and route. I get a bag of peanuts. The food that's for purchase and the free stuff is more upscale. First Class food is really good, and I get glassware. The Web site is a piece of cake. Everything about the experience seems polished, rather than slapdash and harried. Even the customers, strangely, seem more civilized for the most part.
 
Why would someone (obviously from another airline) say that to us on a USAirways thread?

To quote a previous poster & Mr. Welch to Sen. McCarthy....

"Have you no sense of decency ,Sir?"


Because its still the way its been since PSA/Piedmont.Umpteen management changes,two BK's and still at the bottom of the heap.When does reality come home to roost?

Reality check
 
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