Health Care

[OldGuy@AA]

Unless you have two screen names then it was a reply to someone else. But if the shoe fits..................... If you don't like Obama Care then fine. But what is your alternative? Status quo is not working. Health care is unaffordable and that makes it next to impossible for us to ever retire. I would like to someday without having to worry about skyrocketing insurance premiums. Someone has got to stop the insurance companies and it won't be the Republicans. Look at the savings and loan and investment companies they bailed out. It did nothing to help the common citizen, but used our tax money to make rich, corrupt executives much richer. Very much like what has happened at AA over the years. As a victim of Carl Icahn I would expect you especially to be aware of how these guys operate.

 

[Duke787]

Recess-bound House votes to gut Obama health care law for 40th time
By Michael O'Brien and Carrie Dann, NBC News
Capping a legislative work period more noted for what it failed to pass than for what it completed, the House voted for the 40th time on Friday to repeal President Barack Obama's health care reform law before heading home for a five week recess.
The GOP-controlled House voted to approve a measure to prevent the IRS from enforcing “Obamacare” in a 232-185 vote.
The legislation faces virtually no chance of advancing in the Senate, which is controlled by Democrats.
By most measures, Friday's vote marked the 40th time that Republicans have voted to gut the national health care overhaul, which was signed into law in March 2010.
The move gives House Republicans some political ammunition going into the August recess, when lawmakers typically meet with constituents and take the temperature of their home districts.
In July, House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, argued that Congress should be judged by how many laws it repeals, not by how many new laws it enacts.
"We should not be judged on how many new laws we create," he said on July 21. "We ought to be judged on how many laws we repeal."
Congress limps into its monthlong recess having only enacted 15 laws, putting it on pace to be one of the most unproductive sessions in history (though recent legislation regarding student loans has yet to be signed into law).
This story was originally published on Fri Aug 2, 2013 12:26 PM EDT

They are trying to do what is right and stop this abomination of a law!

It's my opinion that anyone who supports the Affordable Health Care Act is a Damn Fool!!

40 votes to repeal not replace Ocare, knowing that it won't make it in the senate, that doesn't seem like a waste of time at all, and going after the IRS portion isn't hardly political bravery. The IRS portion of Ocare is just a penalty phase, so they're not really trying to defund Ocare, just the GOP giving themselves talking points for 2014. In 2006 when the GOP passed medicare part D, any protesters from the right going against Gov spending, you know how there is a provision in the bill saying how medicare CANNOT negotiate for the price of drugs, not to mention there was no spending cuts or revenue increase to cover the cost of it, just throw it on the deficit. I guess it's OK when a republican does it. But then again deficits don't matter when a republican is in office, only when a democrat is in office.

In the 30s the GOP fought against social security, in the 60s they fought against medicare, now the GOP is fighting against Ocare. I guess 2nd management and transplant, never seen a friend or family member in their 50s being turned down for health ins because of a prior sickness. Or seen kids that are 20 trying to find a job with health ins to cover their pregnancy. Some things of Ocare are good for people without means. We are all fortunate to have a good job with benefits. Pretend AA lets you go, you have high blood-pressure, you get turned down for ins, because there is no Ocare, now you are paying the full price for drugs because the company you work for doesn't offer ins, or offers ins only to full time employees, and they only schedule you 39 hours a week.

Before Boehner use to say repeal and replace, then it was JOBS JOBS JOBS, now it's "lets take this repeal Ocare vote again so that all our members can have the same talking points in the 2014 election", when Ocare first came about, the GOP had a bunch of good ideas to cut costs, like selling ins across state lines, kind of like airline deregulation, but the insurance companies must not have liked it, because the GOP hasn't mentioned it since.

GOP plan for retiree health care, vouchers, after your voucher has been used for the year, then it's on the patient to cover the rest.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

First off let me apologize if I have offended anyone, damn fool may have been a little harsh..

You guys make me out to be some right wing repub cheerleader when in reality I loathe politicians of all kinds!

SS & Medicare are the largest Trusts used by politicians on both sides of the aisle for political posturing, economic/budgetary maneuvering and IMO theft from the American People so that is not a very good argument.. If I had all the funds paid by me and my employers from those programs, lets just say I would be a happy man!

The Affordable Health Care Act is nothing more than a new Trust Fund to be plundered and used to control the people of this country and that is why I am against it..There is a lot of open language in this law just like in our TWU contract. Are you people fans of that also??

If one thinks his political party is the most righteous all caring got my back organization that there is I guess that is your right but they do not care about you except at the ballot box IMO..

I use the term Affordable Health Care Act and not the name of the politician who signed it into law as I am not biased in my opinions about politicians..

 

[OldGuy@AA]

2GenAmt, I am a registered Independent and am not a fan of either party, however the health care industry runs roughshod over the consumer with the blessing of the G.O.P. Is Obama Care the best solution? Probably not, but I don't see anyone from the Republican party offering any alternative. If you think that insurance companies should be able to deny you coverage for a pre existing condition then you should be happy with what we have now. McCain and the GOP were in favor of what they now call Obama Care when he ran for president but now they are against it. I do not like parts of it either but something has to be done. Like it or not socialized medicine is in our future. Sooner or later it will happen. The executives of the hospitals and insurance HMOs are getting filthy rich at the expense of all of us. Life expectancy in Canada is longer than in the U.S. and it is because of their health care system. People there don't have to decide if they can afford treatment or how they are going to make their co-pays. The system here is broken and the Republicans will not fix it. The only party that is offering a solution are the Demos. I agree it's not a perfect plan but at least it's something. My daughter was quoted an obscene premium for insurance last year because she had bronchitis a few years before. This caused the insurance premium to more than double. Does that sound fair to you? All the Republicans do is vote against anything the Dems want. Monkeys can do that. But folks won't vote people like Coburn and Inhoffe out of office. They elect tea partiers to congress. I am offended when I hear them call themselves that name. They insult all those brave colonists who took part in the original tea party. That being said, I will continue to vote against incumbents and hope someday most people do the same. Then maybe something will get done.

 

[MCI transplant]

Latest news on Obamacare: UPS to cancel health Insurance for full time employee spouses, do to Obamacare, as was stated by Company representatives.-------- So you don't think it could happen at AA? Think again!

 

[700UW]

Glad to see you post half-truths:

Rising medical costs, "combined with the costs associated with the Affordable Care Act, have made it increasingly difficult to continue providing the same level of health care benefits to our employees at an affordable cost," UPS said in a memo to employees.

The company told white-collar workers two months ago that 15,000 working spouses eligible for coverage at their own employers would be excluded from the UPS plan in 2014. The Fortune 100 firm expects the move, which applies to non-union U.S. workers only, to save about $60 million a year, said company spokesman Andy McGowan.

Not being cancelled for the spouses of unionized employees.

"They are simply saying to the spouse outright, 'If you have coverage somewhere else you are not eligible here,'" said Edward Fensholt, a senior vice president at Lockton Cos., a large insurance broker. "We don't see a lot of that out there, but more than we used to."

Gannett, the parent company of USA TODAY, is among the companies that charges extra to cover spouses who have an offer of insurance elsewhere.

Go call Boner and the gang and see what half-truths you will post next.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/08/20/ups-spouses-health-insurance/2651713/

 

[eolesen]

Last year, my employer went thru an audit for dual covered spouses, in advance of applying the ACA's rules much like UPS appears to be doing.

My wife is eligible for coverage thru her employer (school district), but would have wound up paying out around 20-25% of her net pay for less coverage than what I have. She chose to downgrade to a position that fell below 30 hours, so no problems anymore being covered on my plan.

Think it won't happen to union workers?

Keep dreaming.

I have to laugh at Bob Owens crowing about his wife's plan and criticizing MCI in pretty much the same breath.

Bob's said repeatedly that his wife works in healthcare making a lot more than he does, and it's pretty commonly known that healthcare offers Cadillac plans (with waivers) to their licensed & professional workforce.

But hey, let's criticize MCI about being a beneficiary of a system he's criticizing, at the same time you're criticizing a system you're the beneficiary of.... 😉

I work in countries around the globe with people involved in single payer systems, and with the exception of the French, just about everyone hates them. If the French like it, it must be bad.

 

[Bob Owens]

Last year, my employer went thru an audit for dual covered spouses, in advance of applying the ACA's rules much like UPS appears to be doing.

My wife is eligible for coverage thru her employer (school district), but would have wound up paying out around 20-25% of her net pay for less coverage than what I have. She chose to downgrade to a position that fell below 30 hours, so no problems anymore being covered on my plan.

Think it won't happen to union workers?

Keep dreaming.

I have to laugh at Bob Owens crowing about his wife's plan and criticizing MCI in pretty much the same breath.

Bob's said repeatedly that his wife works in healthcare making a lot more than he does, and it's pretty commonly known that healthcare offers Cadillac plans (with waivers) to their licensed & professional workforce.

But hey, let's criticize MCI about being a beneficiary of a system he's criticizing, at the same time you're criticizing a system you're the beneficiary of.... 😉

I work in countries around the globe with people involved in single payer systems, and with the exception of the French, just about everyone hates them. If the French like it, it must be bad.

I didn't criticize MCI for being in it, I criticized him for being in it and not wanting the same for others. I feel that everyone should have access to affordable health care, not just the rich. If all those people in other countries hate Socialized Medicine then why haven't any of them left Socialized medicine? You claim most hate it, but did you ask them if they would prefer ours? Did you tell them that illness is the single biggest driver of Bankruptcy filings and that many were paying into insurance, some as much as $12000 per year? Are their systems perfect? No, but better than what we face. I have relations in several countries, none of them would want our Health Care system where huge sums of the money are siphoned off to insurance companies.

I've experienced both, and the Socialized system I used was in a poor country compared to the US and the care I received was superior from the Socialized system than the care I received in the for profit one. Within 15 minutes of arriving at the Hospital I was in a bed and already receiving treatment, it took more than an hour for them to put together all the paperwork they wanted me sign ensuring I had coverage and they would get paid in the for profit system, more than two hours in pain before I received any medication or treatment. When I felt better I walked out of both but was harassed for months with surprise bills from who knows where in the for profit system. When I walked out of the Socialized Hospital all they said was "Enjoy your Holiday".

 

[2ndGENAMT]

I agree E..

http://freemarketcure.com/singlepayermyths.php

This law will eventually pull a SS/Medicare type TAX right out of everyone's paycheck and a bureaucrat will decide our benefits.

It is unbelievable to me how anyone can support this law.

 

[MCI transplant]

I didn't criticize MCI for being in it, I criticized him for being in it and not wanting the same for others. I feel that everyone should have access to affordable health care, not just the rich. If all those people in other countries hate Socialized Medicine then why haven't any of them left Socialized medicine? You claim most hate it, but did you ask them if they would prefer ours? Did you tell them that illness is the single biggest driver of Bankruptcy filings and that many were paying into insurance, some as much as $12000 per year? Are their systems perfect? No, but better than what we face. I have relations in several countries, none of them would want our Health Care system where huge sums of the money are siphoned off to insurance companies.

I've experienced both, and the Socialized system I used was in a poor country compared to the US and the care I received was superior from the Socialized system than the care I received in the for profit one. Within 15 minutes of arriving at the Hospital I was in a bed and already receiving treatment, it took more than an hour for them to put together all the paperwork they wanted me sign ensuring I had coverage and they would get paid in the for profit system, more than two hours in pain before I received any medication or treatment. When I felt better I walked out of both but was harassed for months with surprise bills from who knows where in the for profit system. When I walked out of the Socialized Hospital all they said was "Enjoy your Holiday".

Bob, criticize me all you want, but please, I did say that I favor free access for all Americans to health care, Just not this one! 18,000+ pages of regulations that no one read before putting into law, is simply unworkable! And if the membership feels that the TWU will protect them from Obamacare, ( I was going to say that's funnny, but it's not!) ----- it's scary!!!

 

[Thomas Paine]

I agree E..

http://freemarketcure.com/singlepayermyths.php

This law will eventually pull a SS/Medicare type TAX right out of everyone's paycheck and a bureaucrat will decide our benefits.

It is unbelievable to me how anyone can support this law.

I find your ignorance unbelievable, so you want corporate CEOs determining YOUR benefits? Thats what we have now.

While Obamacare is deeply flawed and very disappointing (thanks to the insurance lobbyists and the right) its easier to change the direction of a moving object than a stationary one.

 

[Thomas Paine]

My wife is eligible for coverage thru her employer (school district),

So in other words your wife is a government worker? Would your wife enjoy the options and economic benefits she has if she were an employee of a private school? How ironic that you rail against Socialism yet you are a beneficiary of it.

 

[MCI transplant]

I find your ignorance unbelievable, so you want corporate CEOs determining YOUR benefits? Thats what we have now.

While Obamacare is deeply flawed and very disappointing (thanks to the insurance lobbyists and the right) its easier to change the direction of a moving object than a stationary one.

So, even though it is " deeply flawed and very disappointing" your solution is to add more regulations to the 18,000+ now on the books? And you would rather have a committee of government bureaucrats "determining YOUR benifits?" How do you think that will work out? ----You're quick to criticize, but don't contribute to any realistic solutions!

 

[cltrat]

given the governments track record in running any program, I can't imagine anyone wanting them involved in their healthcare.

 

[700UW]

Social Security