HERE COMES THE LAYOFFS

[texasreb]

Who put us in that situation? Should I blame myself for voting yes in 2003? We did more than are part back then, and the company wasted the opportinuity. Continues to waste money on leases, buildings and severval other things. All the time pocketing there bonuses for failure!!!!!!!!!!

Yea all the unions where asking for way to much in this economy, But we gave to company a chance to turn things around on THERE TERMS in 2003, we where making money, doing work for other companys like delta is currently doing. Why did AMR let that all go to the wayside?

I went to the wrong school, Tarrant County College. Where you need to go now is the Northern business schools where they now teach ceo's how to screw their employee's. It is alot different now fron the past where ceo's had a heart and were real americans.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Speculation upon speculation - that's all I'm seeing. Boys and girls, it's not going to do anyone any good to fret and froth over what has yet to be announced.

"Don't count your chickens before they're hatched - eat 'em".
[sub]Soupy Sales[/sub]

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Speculation upon speculation - that's all I'm seeing. Boys and girls, it's not going to do anyone any good to fret and froth over what has yet to be announced.

"Don't count your chickens before they're hatched - eat 'em".
[sub]Soupy Sales[/sub]

your right Frank. People are starved for information and are looking for any information. I do know this, I had to encourage 2 different coworkers last night. They were very down and had "the stare". We need to look out for each other guys. If you see someone particularly down give them a pat on the back. Get them talking, let them know they are not alone. good luck all.

 

[dfw gen]

Dvlhog212 yes you are correct,. We all could use a little encouragement. Well said!

 

[Frank Szabo]

I went to the wrong school, Tarrant County College. Where you need to go now is the Northern business schools where they now teach ceo's how to screw their employee's. It is alot different now fron the past where ceo's had a heart and were real americans.

It's not so much "having a heart" as you say but it's the realization something must be put back into the system for it to thrive and continue. Henry Ford realized this, understanding that his employees should be paid so as to be able to buy the very product they made.

In another place (for those with a religious bent), Leviticus 23:22 says:

English Standard Version
“And when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap your field right up to its edge, nor shall you gather the gleanings after your harvest. You shall leave them for the poor and for the sojourner: I am the LORD your God.”

I'm certainly not attempting to make a religious argument about pays scales, but simply point out how long the concept of leaving a bit on the table for those who don't receive corporate bonuses has been around. Present day business schools teach how to wring every last bit of "efficiency" from their machinery and employees regardless of the cost - knowing full well the corporate safety net of a Chapter 11 filing will right all their wrongs.

My question to the boys in the Ivory Towers would be "How did America thrive for as long as it did - in particular, winning the second world war and becoming the leader of the free world without all the present business tactics and politicial correctness if, as is taught today in business schools, this was so wrong?"

 

[Jacobin777]

No one here was in denial, that is why Carty got his voluntary cutbacks. We gave him, Arpy, and Horton the leash that they asked for. They continued to take golden parachutes and bonuses while not re-investing in the airline, driving it in the ground. So get your facts straight.

We've been through this ad nauseam. You and others keep posting the same tripe hoping it will "stick" or somehow become the truth. There is a multitude of factors as to why AA is in its current state. The bonuses management received is practically infinitesimal to the financial and operational problems AA is having to deal with currently.

Price of oil from 2003, other carriers filing for BK which now have a much lower total cost per employee (medical, pension, work hours, etc), aged planes, etc. probably constitute 80%-90% of AA's problems at this present moment.

Does management have some blame? Certainly, but there is more than enough blame to go around.

Look, don't believe me, others or even your bosses (or whoever is "looking out" for you). Do your own research and come up with your own educated and reasonable conclusions (and expectations). There are a number of independent analysis done on the various carriers. While one might not get an "exact" answer or valuation, one can certainly get a good idea of how AA's numbers "stack up" against its peers.

 

[AV1]

your right Frank. People are starved for information and are looking for any information. I do know this, I had to encourage 2 different coworkers last night. They were very down and had "the stare". We need to look out for each other guys. If you see someone particularly down give them a pat on the back. Get them talking, let them know they are not alone. good luck all.

Exactly, help each other out instead of the constant, and I do mean constant, in fighting. I do know alot of people that unfortanetly have been furloughed in the past. Not one of them has turned for the worse in their professional and personal life. In fact, many have been better off because of leaving this blanketidy, blank industry. Maybe it is better to leave now, especially if your under fifty, than have the same situation another ten years down the road. I could see that happening. I can't think of a worse industry to work in than this one. Nights, weekends, lower pay, no retirement. Oh wait, retirement promised but then taken away. Just saying.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

We've been through this ad nauseam. You keep posting the same tripe hoping it will stick or somehow become the truth. There is a multitude of factors as to why AA is in its current state. The bonuses management got is practically infinitesimal to the financial and operational problems AA is having to deal with currently.

Price of oil from 2003, other carriers filing for BK which now have a much lower total cost per employee (medical, pension, work hours, etc), aged planes, etc. probably constitute 80%-90% of AA's problems at this present moment.

Does management have some blame? Certainly, but there is more than enough blame to go around.

Look, don't believe me, others or even your bosses (or whoever is "looking out" for you). Do your own research and come up with your own educated and reasonable conclusions (and expectations). There are a number of independent analysis done on the various carriers. While one might not get an "exact" answer or valuation, one can certainly get a good idea of how AA's numbers "stack up" against its peers.

WRONG. This management team has NO IDEA what it takes to be a leader. The whole bonus/psp thing sent the WRONG message. We were NEVER in this together. It is about perception. The leadership here had a chance and blew it. Now we pay the price and they still profit.

 

[paul1]

Home > Business > Airline Industry > Airline Biz Blog February 1, 2012
Comments 0 | Recommend 0Tom Horton outlines changes for AMR, American, American Eagle
ByTerry Maxon/Reporter
tmaxon@dallasnews.com | Bio

12:04 PM on Wed., Feb. 1, 2012 | Permalink
AMR/American Airlines chairman, president and CEO Tom Horton sent a letter Wednesday to employees that outlined the changes the company seeks in bankruptcy.

Among the changes:

* Reducing employee costs by more than $1.25 billion a year.

* All workgroups, including management, will see their costs decline 20 percent.

Details to come.

 

[swamt]

Did I hear correctly?? Channel 4 news @ noon just was reporting on AA and their talks. Did I hear him say they are looking at closing both AFW and Tulsa?? Why both?? Where the hell they plan on doing all the current maint being done at those facilities?? I didn't think they would "close" either one, maybe just some reduction. I really hope I heard this wrong. They did say they will have the exact numbers later this afternoon.

 

[paul1]

3pm cst you should know it all

 

[texasreb]

We've been through this ad nauseam. You and others keep posting the same tripe hoping it will "stick" or somehow become the truth. There is a multitude of factors as to why AA is in its current state. The bonuses management received is practically infinitesimal to the financial and operational problems AA is having to deal with currently.

Price of oil from 2003, other carriers filing for BK which now have a much lower total cost per employee (medical, pension, work hours, etc), aged planes, etc. probably constitute 80%-90% of AA's problems at this present moment.

Does management have some blame? Certainly, but there is more than enough blame to go around.

Look, don't believe me, others or even your bosses (or whoever is "looking out" for you). Do your own research and come up with your own educated and reasonable conclusions (and expectations). There are a number of independent analysis done on the various carriers. While one might not get an "exact" answer or valuation, one can certainly get a good idea of how AA's numbers "stack up" against its peers.

Do you even read what you post? That is exactly what we have said in the past. I am not responsible for sports stadium naming rights or gas guzzler leases. I myself know enough to commute on a motorcycle.

 

[Frank Szabo]

Did I hear correctly?? Channel 4 news @ noon just was reporting on AA and their talks. Did I hear him say they are looking at closing both AFW and Tulsa?? Why both?? Where the hell they plan on doing all the current maint being done at those facilities?? I didn't think they would "close" either one, maybe just some reduction. I really hope I heard this wrong. They did say they will have the exact numbers later this afternoon.

Channel 4 (whoever "they" are) hasn't a clue. Much like everyone else, as to what is going to happen. Back-burner your doomsday predictions until after the official announcement.

As with others on the second shift, I'll find out something tonight after I get to work. Look for a credible source for your news - rumors don't cut it, although they are fun to start.

 

[texasreb]

Did I hear correctly?? Channel 4 news @ noon just was reporting on AA and their talks. Did I hear him say they are looking at closing both AFW and Tulsa?? Why both?? Where the hell they plan on doing all the current maint being done at those facilities?? I didn't think they would "close" either one, maybe just some reduction. I really hope I heard this wrong. They did say they will have the exact numbers later this afternoon.

I watched it and they did not get any numbers. They said it would probably be AFW.

 

[FWAAA]

Reports that police are standing by outside HDQ:

http://www.kgoam810.com/rssItem.asp?feedid=114&itemid=29793479

Rumours that Horton has outlined labor cost cuts of 20%:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/american-airlines-tells-employees-it-wants-to-cut-labor-costs-by-20-percent/2012/02/01/gIQAoL33hQ_story.html