How Are Outsourcing Decisions Made

[diogenes]

Give Boomer a cigar.

I'll go a step further.

The IAM was a power at UA, representing mechs, ramp and c/s. Due to ESOP, IAM had major pull on the BOD.

Now, D141 represents all the UA and U IAM members. The D141 and 142 (mechs) poo-bahs sat on the UA BOD.

The upper D141 pooh-bahs are ex-UA, NOT U.

The D141 newsletter is all about UA, and seldom about U. Many U members have requested their subscription to the "UA News" be cancelled.

D141 negotiated the U fleet agreement; the U reps, as one admitted to me, were window dressing.

I have long concluded the IAM, in the shape of D141, has been rightsizing the U membership for an eventual merger, thus clearing all those integration concerns.

And D141 made damn sure from the get-go in 1995, that no one from an affected station would ever sit on any NC or advisory board.

 

[28yrsnojob]

outsourceing ramps saves 75% of what the contract is for.If you can get anybody to work.

 

[700UW]

District 142 Never represented mechanics at UAL, it was district 141 then split into district 141M

 

[E-TRONS]

i'll tell you what....i worked in the PIT hydro shop for many many years and we constantly tried to bring in-house many units and showed cost savings on every one for the most part.it became blatantly clear that we were stepping on someones toes or delving into someones chartered territory.it was and still is the general consensous that there are many kickbacks to purchasing agents/buyers for U...we could never prove it but we knew and know it goes on.....
you know,guide the work here and we'll take care of you type stuff...don't belittle me by insisting this isn't the practice......
there have been people fired for some of these offenses and i know its against corp.policy......but it goes on.... 😉

[post="260851"][/post]​

Let's not forget all the 737 sidewalls that were shipped from CLT Base to Air Excellence in PIT. Is that the only vendor that does it? Raises one's curiosity eh?

Or how about VISTA where countless items get sent then are deemed surplus and sold for who knows how much?? You will never get an answer to anything remotely approaching accountability.

Back in the Metrojet era UAIR sold off all the -200 stores inventory to PACE Airlines (?) only to buy some of the exact things back at a premium price. Talk about painting yourself into a corner!

Maybe the company should have Price Waterhouse come in again to study the operation......only to reveal the same things we have tried to convey all along. But I guess it doesn't count unless you pay MILLIONS for such advice <_< .

 

[diogenes]

700,

The U mechs, since 1999, have jumped from 141 (to escape being in the same district with the newly arrived fleet agents - solidarity, anyone?) into 141M, and then when UA mechs went AMFA and 141M no longer had a viable dues structure (141 loaned 141M money a time or two, according to a district guy) went to 142.

I used 142 as shorthand so as to forgo above rigamarole, and 142 is where U mechs, wherever they came from, currently reside.

The larger point remains.

 

[Smartest Loser]

HIgh Iron hit the nail right on the head....

Way too many deals under the table. By design this airline will go.

SL

 

[DR.EVIL]

CaptainBoomer:

[. Face it: You're not going to keep up a diligent maintenence schedule and repaint a car you're going to soon sell....or junk.

[post="260927"][/post]​

The future of usairways!! :down:

 

[700UW]

700,

The U mechs, since 1999, have jumped from 141 (to escape being in the same district with the newly arrived fleet agents - solidarity, anyone?) into 141M, and then when UA mechs went AMFA and 141M no longer had a viable dues structure (141 loaned 141M money a time or two, according to a district guy) went to 142.

I used 142 as shorthand so as to forgo above rigamarole, and 142 is where U mechs, wherever they came from, currently reside.

The larger point remains.

[post="261032"][/post]​

The agents unionized in 1995 at US, 141 all ready had fleet service agents in it for years with UAL rampers, the mechanic and related spun off several year or more later after US fleet service unionized.

141 held the mortgage on the building where 141M was based, there were no loans of cash, only the initial mortgage.

 

[delldude]

The U mechs, since 1999, have jumped from 141 (to escape being in the same district with the newly arrived fleet agents - solidarity, anyone?) into 141M, and then when UA mechs went AMFA and 141M no longer had a viable dues structure (141 loaned 141M money a time or two, according to a district guy) went to 142.

[post="261032"][/post]​

seems i remember an openly welcomed group of fleet at our meetings in PIT...seems they got off work on 2nd shift about a half hour or more earlier than the mech's.....so they went to the bar until meeting time.....this openly welcomed group didn't like the "first' contract and all that was being negotiated and such...they wanted to vote IAM out and all.....boozies disrupted our meetings....mech attendance fell off dramatically... so you guys got your own district........for some strange reason your group wanted a contract like ours that had been negotiated for 40 years not 6 months.....they couldn't figure out thats the way you start after you've voted to decertify your past union and shoot yourself in the foot.....hell they were ready to dump IAM too.....make me laugh.....
looks now like they got their cake and can eat it too......

 

[700UW]

They got their own local, not their own district, remember they went into 1044, that was for PIT only, not the rest of the system.

 

[D M G]

boozies disrupted our meetings

for some strange reason your group wanted a contract like ours that had been negotiated for 40 years not 6 months.....they couldn't figure out thats the way you start after you've voted to decertify your past union and shoot yourself in the foot.....hell they were ready to dump IAM too.....make me laugh.....

[post="261231"][/post]​

Sounds to me like your Sergeant at Arms and/or a the mechanics needed to grow a "set" and throw the "boozies" out. Pretty sad that they let a bunch of drunks keep them away from the meetings.

FSA wanted a contract that was more than the PPG with a different cover. The first T/A the IAM brought to Fleet never even got past the informational meeting in PHL. Freiberger and Miklavic got off the flight the night before the meeting and was met in the boarding area by about 40 FSA that weren't too happy. The IAM was willing to throw any trash our way to get the dues to start rolling in. The IAM had the police at the meeting the next day, but the first words out of Freiberger's mouth was that the T/A was being thrown in the trash and the IAM would go back to the table. A FSA from PHL was put on the negotiating team to try and keep the IAM honest, plus it gave PHL FSA someone they felt they could trust. The next T/A got voted in and was much better than the first T/A, even though the company reads things one way and everyone else reads them another.

The U mechanics that ran the PHL local barely gave FSA the time of day let alone address any of their concerns. Fleet ran their own slate in the next local elections and kicked every one of them to the curb. An ex Eastern guy was kept on to show the new board the ropes, and one guy from United ramp was put on U's Fleet ticket for good measure. Made everyone laugh...

 

[D M G]

D141 negotiated the U fleet agreement; the U reps, as one admitted to me, were window dressing.

I have long concluded the IAM, in the shape of D141, has been rightsizing the U membership for an eventual merger, thus clearing all those integration concerns.

[post="260932"][/post]​

Four of the eight negotiators were from PHL, and a few years ago I would have told you that you're crazy for saying that they were "window dressing", that these are the type of guys that will fight for the betterment of the entire group. Three of the four have been appointed to very nice positions within the IAM, and it's obvious that once you get in these positions you quickly forget where you came from and you do everything you can to not rock the IAM boat.

 

[delldude]

Sounds to me like your Sergeant at Arms and/or a the mechanics needed to grow a "set" and throw the "boozies" out. Pretty sad that they let a bunch of drunks keep them away from the meetings.

FSA wanted a contract that was more than the PPG with a different cover. The first T/A the IAM brought to Fleet never even got past the informational meeting in PHL. Freiberger and Miklavic got off the flight the night before the meeting and was met in the boarding area by about 40 FSA that weren't too happy. The IAM was willing to throw any trash our way to get the dues to start rolling in. The IAM had the police at the meeting the next day, but the first words out of Freiberger's mouth was that the T/A was being thrown in the trash and the IAM would go back to the table. A FSA from PHL was put on the negotiating team to try and keep the IAM honest, plus it gave PHL FSA someone they felt they could trust. The next T/A got voted in and was much better than the first T/A, even though the company reads things one way and everyone else reads them another.

The U mechanics that ran the PHL local barely gave FSA the time of day let alone address any of their concerns. Fleet ran their own slate in the next local elections and kicked every one of them to the curb. An ex Eastern guy was kept on to show the new board the ropes, and one guy from United ramp was put on U's Fleet ticket for good measure. Made everyone laugh...

[post="261269"][/post]​

it was more a tolerance issue as a child playing with a new toy...overlooked at first then something needed to be done....
it got so out of hand with booze heads and others who were trying to turn every meeting into a #### session mechs had enough.....
whats the sgt at arms supposed to do throw every fsa out??
union bent over backwards but in the end they got their own separate local.....
and they're still whining the blues...........time to decertify again??? lol what a joke of a group....

 

[diogenes]

seems i remember an openly welcomed group of fleet at our meetings in PIT...seems they got off work on 2nd shift about a half hour or more earlier than the mech's.....so they went to the bar until meeting time.....this openly welcomed group didn't like the "first' contract and all that was being negotiated and such...they wanted to vote IAM out and all.....boozies disrupted our meetings....mech attendance fell off dramatically... so you guys got your own district........for some strange reason your group wanted a contract like ours that had been negotiated for 40 years not 6 months.....they couldn't figure out thats the way you start after you've voted to decertify your past union and shoot yourself in the foot.....hell they were ready to dump IAM too.....make me laugh.....
looks now like they got their cake and can eat it too......

[post="261231"][/post]​

Really? My understanding was the mechs refused to seat fleet at the local meeting (that info came from the PIT E Board and some mech friends of mine), and fleet had to form their own local.

LL's 1725 and 2444 is comprised of fleet AND mech.

Whoever is really to blame for the division in PIT, it really flies in the face of solidarity, yes? As does the arbitrary division created be the IAM at 141 and 141M.

Dude, you have correctly pointed out some areas where the membership has come up short. Have you ever seen the leadership, district level and above, take their share of responsibility? Even once?

In that aspect, they remind me far to much of the Palace - they are NEVER, EVER, wrong.

The leadership is quick to hold the members' feet to the fire, but are reluctant to step out on the coals themselves.

 

[diogenes]

The agents unionized in 1995 at US, 141 all ready had fleet service agents in it for years with UAL rampers, the mechanic and related spun off several year or more later after US fleet service unionized.

141 held the mortgage on the building where 141M was based, there were no loans of cash, only the initial mortgage.

[post="261222"][/post]​

True, UA mechs and ramp, and U mechs were in 141.

The U fleet vote was certified in 1995; they did not come under contract until 1999. It took d141 from 95 to 98 to negotiate the contract. Meanwhile, fleet was 'at will' because there was no status quo to protect. This per the LL Pres AND an IAM legal beagle.

As soon as fleet ratified the contract in 99, D141M was formed for U and UA mechs. U mechs and U fleet have NEVER been in the same district.

Solidarity forever.

Tellingly, in the time it took D141 to negotiate the U fleet contract, D141 was able to organize a drive at UA c/s, win, get certified, negotiate the first contract, and get it ratified. Moreover the duration of the first U fleet contract was for 5 years. The duration of the UA c/s contract was 18 months. So for those proponents of the "first contract sucks" theory, UA c/s was going to renegotiate before U fleet, even though U fleet certified in 1995, and UA c/s in 1998. Things like this lead me to believe the IAM was subordinating the U membership's interests to UA's.

With regards to the cash, I have been informed otherwise. But your version still sounds like a loan to me.