How Are Outsourcing Decisions Made

[D M G]

whats the sgt at arms supposed to do throw every fsa out??

lol what a joke of a group....

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Yeah, he should have thrown every one of them out. If he was unable to do it himself then get a group of other mechanics that have a "set" to help him (good luck finding one) and throw them out, or call the police. It's private property. You want to talk about a group that's a joke, look no further than the mechanics. I've said it before and I'll say it again, there is no group on the property that can come together like the FSA in PHL.

 

[700UW]

US Fleet and Mechanics were in the same district from 95 till 99, fleet were not dues paying members, but I know the ones from CLT were sent to District functions.

 

[diogenes]

You are not a member in good standing until your contract is ratified and you begin paying dues.

You CANNOT vote in any LL, D, or INT'L election, or hold office until that occurs. You have no rights to a grievance process that leads to binding arbitration.

On an initial contract, you have NO status quo protection until the contract is ratified.

You can attend the District Convention as a GUEST (been there, done that), not as a member.

One could attend a LL meeting as a GUEST, but could not vote, make or second motions, or participate in the operation of the lodge. Fleet began lodge participation in April, 1999.

The fleet contract was ratified in 99,and went into effect April 1999 (dues were withheld from the first paycheck received after that date). At THAT point, one becomes a member in good standing.

Even at that point, even though the IAM had been certified sine 1995, the new members could not hold many LL and District offices (the rules were waived for the appointed 4 AGC's), because the by-laws require one to be a member in good standing (dues paid fully up) for 'x' years before one could hold office.

Now, all of the rules governing the above are proper. But if you think you can't use proper rules to further improper goals, you shouldn't be allowed to walk around in public by yourself.

For instance, Republicans' are seriously considering ending the filibuster rule (I've already expressed reservations to my senators).

If they do so, it will be by the 'rules'.

But the intent is a power-play land-grab.

 

[700UW]

Their were elections for Grievance Committee people also, and remember it was the Mechanic and Related dues that paid for negotiations and when members attended district functions.

And US' Fleet Service did not get AGCs until your first contract was ratified.

No disrespect but if you are not paying dues, you should not be able to vote on how other people's money gets spent at the local lodge level.

In CLT Fleet Service were put on committees and were active even though they were not dues paying members, they were also sent to Placid Harbor while not being dues paying members.

 

[diogenes]

Grievance committee? To enforce what contract?

We were advised by the district, pre-ratification, to file 'grievances' where warranted. So we did. IAM support, advise, etc. after the fact? None. "Well, you don't have a contract, yet" was the specific answer from the district when support was requested.

I am pleased as punch CLT saw the wisdom is providing education to its fleet members prior to the contract being activated.

But they didn't have to, and many locals chose not to.

Don't start with "that's a local problem, not an IAM one" because the district knew it was happening, and did squat about it.

All of which continues to validate my theory. CLT was in the long term picture, and warranted IAM attention. The initial class II stations, and the soon-to-be-outsourced ones, never got the time of day from the district. No one from a former, or about to be former, station ever sat on an NC, either.

Anecdotal proof? Our local did not prosecute ONE grievance to arbitration, including terminations. For those not familiar with the procedure, the steward presents and argues the grievance to the manager (step I), the lodge grievance committtee deals with the regional director (step II) and the DISTRICT AGC brings the case to Labor Relations (step III). If the case is unresolved at that point, THE DISTRICT can decide to bring the case to binding arbitration. I know for a fact CLT, PHL and BOS had no such problem arbitrating terminations.

I know for a fact CLT got much better union supprort than the out-stations. I know too many committeemen, and know what the out-stations have been thru, to believe any different.

So CLT puts folks on committees? We elect ours. Hmmmmm.

Let me save you some trouble. Respond if you wish, and have the last word. I am done for a while, because it has occurred to me that I need to watch my back from more than one direction.