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Just curious... Someone told me that at least 200 AMT's have crossed the picket line and returned to work since the strike began almost two months ago.

Can anyone verify that? 5-10% is probably less than what management expected, but every time someone else returns to work, it throws water on the argument that inexperienced mechanics are working on NWA aircraft.
 
Just curious... Someone told me that at least 200 AMT's have crossed the picket line and returned to work since the strike began almost two months ago.

Can anyone verify that? 5-10% is probably less than what management expected, but every time someone else returns to work, it throws water on the argument that inexperienced mechanics are working on NWA aircraft.

As of today 70 confirmed crossing out of a possible 7,000+ including previous layoffs or 1%; without the layoff guys, 2% of those who walked out. 1 or 2% is all their getting and with an incredibly low number like that, solidarity and the overall feeling of "screw this place" are most likely running neck and neck as to what has kept them from going back. Being that the majority that have crossed were ex-IAM officers who are part of NWA's plot to kill the AMFA, I would put the number closer to 20 out of 7,000.

http://www.amfanatl.org/Pages/15_Strike_In...67_10-25-05.pdf
 
As of today 70 confirmed crossing out of a possible 7,000+ including previous layoffs or 1%; without the layoff guys, 2% of those who walked out. 1 or 2% is all their getting and with an incredibly low number like that, solidarity and the overall feeling of "screw this place" are most likely running neck and neck as to what has kept them from going back. Being that the majority that have crossed were ex-IAM officers who are part of NWA's plot to kill the AMFA, I would put the number closer to 20 out of 7,000.

http://www.amfanatl.org/Pages/15_Strike_In...67_10-25-05.pdf

Thats pretty damn good. Now when you figure that NWA scraped the bottom of the barrel and still couldnt get enough mechanics, should another group decide to walk off the job there isnt anyone out there to replace them!
 
As of today 70 confirmed crossing out of a possible 7,000+ including previous layoffs or 1%; without the layoff guys, 2% of those who walked out. 1 or 2% is all their getting and with an incredibly low number like that, solidarity and the overall feeling of "screw this place" are most likely running neck and neck as to what has kept them from going back. Being that the majority that have crossed were ex-IAM officers who are part of NWA's plot to kill the AMFA, I would put the number closer to 20 out of 7,000.

http://www.amfanatl.org/Pages/15_Strike_In...67_10-25-05.pdf

What do the numbers look like when you remove the custodians and cleaners from the formula? There hasn't been much said about them. This strike has been pretty much focused on the mechanics.
 
What do the numbers look like when you remove the custodians and cleaners from the formula? There hasn't been much said about them. This strike has been pretty much focused on the mechanics.
I thought being on the inside gave you the edge? :lol: can't wait to hear the next "Guess who I ran Into Today" story 🙄
 
70 is what AMFA is quoted as saying in the Star-Tribune.

I'd already split out the cleaners from the licensed AMT's when I guessed 5%. How many AMT's were there pre-walkout, and how many of those were on the line?
 
I think there were around 2,700 AMFA AMT's. There have been so many numbers said that it is hard to keep up. Never did know how many scabs there were. There were reported numbers from 1,100 to 1,900.
 
70 is what AMFA is quoted as saying in the Star-Tribune.

I'd already split out the cleaners from the licensed AMT's when I guessed 5%. How many AMT's were there pre-walkout, and how many of those were on the line?
I don't have a current seniority list or at least one in the past year, but I am googling around looking for one.
 
Just curious... Someone told me that at least 200 AMT's have crossed the picket line and returned to work since the strike began almost two months ago.

Can anyone verify that?

You were misinformed. The number of NWA strikers who have become scabs is still less than 100. You can see most of them here:

http://www.amfa33.org/strike/scabs.htm

Additionally, several more who chose to become scabs have subsequently quit when they discovered the environment they were forced to work in and several more have been terminated for bringing forward their concerns about the safety of a particular aircraft or workmanship issues.


5-10% is probably less than what management expected...

Considering that management's plan called for 15% to cross on the day that the strike began and 25% within two weeks, it is certain that they had unreasonable expectations.

...but every time someone else returns to work, it throws water on the argument that inexperienced mechanics are working on NWA aircraft.

Prior to the strike there were more than 4700 technicians still working at NWA and a total of over 7900 on the seniority list counting those laid off after 9/11 and when the Iraq war began. Since the strike started, NWA has tried repeatedly to lure people from both groups across the picket line, even having their former managers call them at home with promises that they will be treated different than the rest of the scabs. For those who have been laid off prior to the strike, NWA first attempted to lure them across the picket line with a bogus "Notice of Recall" and when that did not work threatened them with termination and then did away with their recall rights.

Yet when they return, they find what one who became a scab and subsequently quit described as a "Lord of the Flies" environment where the scab mechanics are either afraid to or unwilling to assist each other, where mechanics are now afraid to bring forward airworthiness concerns for fear of being fired. Where any complaint puts one at risk for discharge. As each day of the strike has gone by, the scabs discover more and more of the real NWA, rather than the one they knew when they were in training and during the beginning of the strike.

Even in the best of times, NWA is a fairly hostile place to work. The pilots strike in 1998 stripped the last of the pretense of cooperation that remained from the 1993 concessions and the company's reaction to the 2001 AMFA contract made it clear to us that NWA meant to declare war on its mechanics. The vast majority of us have been preparing our 'exit strategies' for several years and have no intention to or need to cross our picket line. Having experienced life at NWA when we did have a union to protect us from retaliation by management for bringing forward legitimate airworthiness concerns, there is no way I would be willing to work in the same environment without one.
 
Yet when they return, they find what one who became a scab and subsequently quit described as a "Lord of the Flies" environment where the scab mechanics are either afraid to or unwilling to assist each other, where mechanics are now afraid to bring forward airworthiness concerns for fear of being fired. Where any complaint puts one at risk for discharge. As each day of the strike has gone by, the scabs discover more and more of the real NWA, rather than the one they knew when they were in training and during the beginning of the strike.

NWA/AMT, I don't know where you got this bit of information, I'm sure you made it up because that is not the case where I am at. I have no problems at all with taking an aircraft AOS. It has only happened once and that was over a fuel leak and broken fastener heads. It really wasn't any big deal. The aircraft was taken to the hanger and another aircraft was scheduled for the flight. I will say this there are a few MAP's here that are pro-AMFA that do harass the mechanics. The mechanics know that NWA has to know this and ask why they do nothing about it. NWA has not removed these guys from their positions so the mechanics simply quit. They are having a hard time keeping a particular zone staffed so we are picking up the slack on it. I don't know why NWA doesn't do something about that zone, they are losing good mechanics over it and will continue to do so. There are even guys that rolled over direct that are talking about quitting because of it. These are the situations that a company’s ignorance is bliss. I do not understand it but that’s just life.
 
Made up? Hardly. My statement was based upon reports from several scabs who have been fired and several inside sources at NWA. Blame the trend on a few "pro-AMFA" types if you wish, but you have only begun to see the real NWA. Enjoy.
 
NWA/AMT, can you believe this scab? He's prostituted himself for a few months at NWA, and he knows more about NWA than the mechanics who were there for years. He vision is clouded with his own delusions of grandure. Won't it be fun when he finds out the how real the NWA management monster really is.

Good luck to you in your new endevors away from the NWA mess. B)
 
NWA/AMT, can you believe this scab? He's prostituted himself for a few months at NWA, and he knows more about NWA than the mechanics who were there for years. He vision is clouded with his own delusions of grandure. Won't it be fun when he finds out the how real the NWA management monster really is.

Good luck to you in your new endevors away from the NWA mess. B)

Indeed, he has proven unique:

He's never been in a union but he's an expert on unions.

He's never worked for an airline but he's an expert on airlines.

He's never worked line maintenance but he's an expert on line maintenance.

He's never practiced labor law but he's an expert on labor law.

He's barely worked for NWA but he's a expert on NWA management.

He accuses me of lying because he says that what I have reported hasn't happened where he works, then proceeds to give examples of exactly what I said was happening from where he works but attempts to shift the blame to AMFA.

I'm sure NWA management will make short work of him when the time comes, and it will come.
 
Just call me a Jack Of All Trades and a quick learner. I do admit that the past few months have been very educational. NWA/AMT you are putting a spin on my words in post 12. That is not what I said.

Hackman I don't think the AMFA mechanics that were here put a lot of time and effort in to their jobs. At least 75% of it went into playing board games, reading and cooking...Yes cooking we found an entire kitchen here. Lets not forget the tremendous effort you guys also put into your ridiculous unions.

Now back to the subject at hand, AMFAMAN how is that seniority list going?
 

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