And I stand behind my post and verified written information from the NMB (Don West) and posted it. As I asked you previously, show us proof that the NMB ran the elections you are talking about 700. Show where the NMB released the tally numbers after conducting the election. Not doing investigation to change the cert. Now when I ask for the verified info from you, you claim your done with this, hmmmm, wonder why?? 700 you know why I am here. To correct any misinformation about SWA, AMFA or how AMFA is ran at SWA. Now I find myself proving anyone wrong that either lies or spreads the untruths from the IAM (as in your case) just to try and save or keep their dues coming in. This is exactly what the teamsters were doing just before we fired them, some of our membership believed them so they continued to vote for them. Myself and a few others decided to get involved and do our own homework and verifications. Once the teamsters were proven to be constantly lying and they refused to put anything they promised in writing; out the door they went with a record 2week card drive. I am just sick of the lazy people out there that never get involved, have someone spoon feed them with everything, then totally bitche and moan about everything. Soryy off topic. That's my rant for the day...
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Your right Kev. But I think most already know with these two unions trying to merge together, the membership had no choice in this. It's now going to be a done deal then the members will vote rather they will be for the alliance or non-union. However, I hope one that 700 is true; I hope (if this vote does come to reality) that there will be an "other" option that means either the "speak-in" or "write-in" this is why I am trying to settle all this long prior to the vote taking place as the members will have time to get the "write-in" AMFA campaign going at both carriers. But, still holding out for a glim of good news from the NMB to allow AMFA to submit after winning their appeal. Otherwise, come June 2014 a whole new filing with the NMB.
ThirdSeatHero
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At this point NO ONE can say with certainty what the NMB ballot will look like, THEY CAN'T.
1) The merger hasn't even happened yet.
2) The NMB hasn't conducted an STS investigation yet, because there is no merger yet.
3) Following an STS investigation by the NMB, there is a window for intervenors to step in and with a showing of interest, to be placed on a ballot.
If US and/or AA mechs truly want change, don't waste your time with a "write-in" campaign. Get your cards signed, and have your choice for representation placed on the ballot against the IAM/TWU alliance.
1) The merger hasn't even happened yet.
2) The NMB hasn't conducted an STS investigation yet, because there is no merger yet.
3) Following an STS investigation by the NMB, there is a window for intervenors to step in and with a showing of interest, to be placed on a ballot.
If US and/or AA mechs truly want change, don't waste your time with a "write-in" campaign. Get your cards signed, and have your choice for representation placed on the ballot against the IAM/TWU alliance.
I agree TSH We need to get after it on card signing.
It does look obvious there is an opportunity within two weeks after a STS filing for a vote to happen, and with AMFA we would need a 50%+1 for an intervenor filing. That would mean US guys would still then have a chance to collect cards for two weeks, even if it were to happen within a year from their last drive.
Nice homework swamt!!!
Two choices association or non-union, lmao
It does look obvious there is an opportunity within two weeks after a STS filing for a vote to happen, and with AMFA we would need a 50%+1 for an intervenor filing. That would mean US guys would still then have a chance to collect cards for two weeks, even if it were to happen within a year from their last drive.
Nice homework swamt!!!
Two choices association or non-union, lmao
And what would happen IF the NMB does not conduct the election? Just trying to get people involved and never believe what anyone says unless it's in writing. Are you posting info from the NMB or the "Alliance" verbage written by 700's long friend and mentor? Just curious...
ThirdSeatHero
Veteran
Just to be clear, after the NMB conducts an STS investigation, and finds the carriers are one for the class and craft in question, you have a window to file as an intervenor.
Authorization cards are good for a year from date of signing. ie; BOTH AA & US can (and should) be collecting cards now.
If the merger comes together inside a year from now, you submit your cards after the NMBs STS finding, and be placed on the ballot against the IAM/TWU alliance.
If a year elapses without a merger you can ....
A ) file singularly on American if you have enough cards(not on US as they are still under the 2 yr ban from the last election) or....
B ) Start collecting re-signs which should be the easiest to collect as they are the cards you are getting from your strongest supporters today.
After what has happened at both AA & US via the ibt/TWU I would think you wouldn't have much difficulty collecting the required 50% +1
As always, its your decision
swamt, if we don't get a STS filing we can still file on our own after a the one year from the time the teamsters pulled out. The date was recorded by the NMB and we do have verification/confirmation through them. While I still have some hope for the NMB to come back with a favorable response, I don't believe it's worth waiting for and counting on it. I was posting from what I have read in the rules, case history, and yes posts. Even with the research I do, I know it could be wrong in some aspect or another, so if you or anyone sees something by all means please point it out.
I would think it would be better for the members if there is an election at AA prior to the merger. If AMFA wins then we all know there will be an election between AMFA and TWU (not an alliance) unless the IAM voluntarily walks away from representation as did the teamsters from AMFA in the SWA/AT combination. Hope everyone gets involved and educate themselves on all their options and the results of such options if chosen. Good luck guys...
I will Rusty. Wish you guys the best...
Again I agree. I hope the US guys would start collecting cards just in case, but if not the two week period while is a very short time the swa guys did it. Being prepared would be of utmost importance.
Again I agree with you. Don't know why the US guys are not getting prepared. At SWA we were extremely prepared. And it all showed so quickly that Hoffa called for emergency meetings and attended some of the stewards training conferences to get input what it would take to keep the SWA guys. It was too little, too late, the raise of dues from 2.0 to 2.5 with no vote or input from membership was the last nail in the coffin.
Once again this thread deserves to be fired back up as the boys over at AA thread entitled "IAM or TWU" are throwing this issue around, and yes 700 I brought up our conversations from the past, so someone took the time to research the alliance between ibt and CWA, in which it clearly states in there that the unions held there own conduction of the election internally and all the NMB did was "transfer the certs" As I have been saying from the very beginning. Here's the blurp from the AA site:-700UW said:
Tex-Mech, on 16 Nov 2013 - 6:41 PM, said:
And I quote for you 700UW; " Each organization conducted a secret ballot of its members."Tex-Mech said:
Not the NMB conducting an election.
As you can see these are 2 different pdf numbers listed and you purposely did not include this section when we were at odds. Why is that 700? Is it because you knew you were lying to the membership? Not just the fact that a 20 year best friend from the IAM leadership that wrote the alliance language? Hmmmm. It all coming together now 700. All you IAM members might want to look into this before you vote on this alliance so you all know what you are voting for how the results of voting will turn out. 700 was wrong this whole time. And I have posted "in writing" the response from the NMB, and I quote; "" The NMB has no jurisdiction over the alliance or merger of unions and does not conduct such elections"" Any questions???
No silence, worked all weekend, and like I said, I stand by my posts, and you will see when the time comes I was right.
I spoke to the man who wrote the Alliance and his contacts within the NMB, and every piece of info is the NMB will conduct the election.
I spoke to the man who wrote the Alliance and his contacts within the NMB, and every piece of info is the NMB will conduct the election.
Sorry. Still find it too hard to believe when I have it in writing from the horses mouth (NMB)
I would still recommend the members to contact the NMB for themselves. Wouldn't you 700? Would you recommend that your members do that? I would always recommend for people to do their own homework and investigations, especially when I have and found the EXACT opposite of what you and the IAM/TWU are telling their members. Shame on all you guys if you do not do your own work on it. Just keep believing your union and leaders that will do and say anything to keep the millions upon millions coming in from the dues.
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