IAM Withdraws NMB Election Application

[WorldTraveler]

Thanks for the update.
Not a surprise that no one who wants to be associated with the representation campaign with the DOJ snooping around.

 

[Kev3188]

Just back from a trip. NO pins. NO iam bag tags. Ask around and not one person was inclined to support iam . They blamed the iam for the failure . Some wondered if the company just out smarted them. The sentiment was it was over.

I'm still seeing plenty of pins/tags.

 

[WorldTraveler]

I bet you that they will all disappear as soon as the Feds come looking around.

Given that the FAs are the ones that were supposed to vote, it is not a surprise that the few IAM supporters are now blaming the IAM.

meanwhile, the IAM says it wasn't them.

perhaps it wasn't.

but the question still remains as to how many representation cases ended up in DOJ cases.

Like it or not, the reality that very few employees want to be confronted by the DOJ means there will be a chilling effect on the unionization process at DL.

I'm not sure that the company outfoxed labor but that labor's desperation led them to do things that eventually would get them in trouble.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

If the DOJ runs an investigation to completion in this matter(which they should), I'd like the NMB to explain why the teamsters/AA shenanigans weren't referred to the DOJ  when they had at least two signed affidavits from paid teamster organizers that there was a concerted effort to forge authorization cards during their American campaign.

 

[topDawg]

Just back from a trip. NO pins. NO iam bag tags. Ask around and not one person was inclined to support iam . They blamed the iam for the failure . Some wondered if the company just out smarted them. The sentiment was it was over.

 Okay.....? 
what a sample size, one trips worth of FAs. 
 
I haven't seen any pins myself......of course no FAs in that hangar..... must mean the union is dead. 
 

I bet you that they will all disappear as soon as the Feds come looking around.

Given that the FAs are the ones that were supposed to vote, it is not a surprise that the few IAM supporters are now blaming the IAM.

meanwhile, the IAM says it wasn't them.

perhaps it wasn't.

but the question still remains as to how many representation cases ended up in DOJ cases.

Like it or not, the reality that very few employees want to be confronted by the DOJ means there will be a chilling effect on the unionization process at DL.

I'm not sure that the company outfoxed labor but that labor's desperation led them to do things that eventually would get them in trouble.

 because of......
 
 
what reason exactly? 
 

so yes, I was wrong. Sorry Kev

FIFY again. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

you won't have the DOJ come poking its head around Tech Ops because there was no representation campaign there so you can't say what you would do without being in their shoes.

I can assure you that the FAs will scatter and stop talking about the representation campaign if there is any hint of an investigation.

and let's be clear that the company could well benefit from the DOJ's interest in the case to help squash labor's interest in representation so FAs have every reason to keep quiet.

 

[metopower]

Okay.....? 
what a sample size, one trips worth of FAs. 
 
Only mentioned because I fly the same trip with many of the same people . They had pins and tags before. . They were lax based and that is a base that has a mixture of pro and con. I asked them about it and the answer is that they blamed the iam. That is their story sorry. Kev has a different observation. From a different base.

 

[topDawg]

 

Okay.....? 
what a sample size, one trips worth of FAs.

 
Only mentioned because I fly the same trip with many of the same people . They had pins and tags before. . They were lax based and that is a base that has a mixture of pro and con. I asked them about it and the answer is that they blamed the iam. That is their story sorry. Kev has a different observation. From a different base.
 

 I missed that part, now it makes more sense. 
 

you won't have the DOJ come poking its head around Tech Ops because there was no representation campaign there so you can't say what you would do without being in their shoes.

and you wont have the DOJ coming around

well your house because you don't work at delta

so why are you talking?
 

I can assure you that the FAs will scatter and stop talking about the representation campaign if there is any hint of an investigation.

except there is already more than a hint of an investigation and Kev has seen pro IAM FAs still..... so again, you would be wrong.
 

and let's be clear that the company could well benefit from the DOJ's interest in the case to help squash labor's interest in representation so FAs have every reason to keep quiet.

so you already know how the investigation will turn out? proof?

 

[townpete]

Good Morning All!
 
Yesterday we had a meeting with IAM officials, Tim Klima, Joe Stassi, James Carlson, Richie Johnsen, and Bill Rody.
We brought all of the FA concerns to the table. We were all asking the "Who, What, Why, When questions.
 
So in a nutshell this is what we learned.
 
Who? No one knows
 
Why? Our Employer knew if we went to an election, they would lose.
 
When? We are regrouping and plan to start our new card drive 5-5-15. In order to file on 4-6-16. If not before.
 
We have a new, improved card that will be able to be accounted for. Details will follow.
The whole process of evaluating the cards was called into question due to reasons that are not being conveyed to the IAM.
 
The NMB can and did whatever they wanted to in deciding who's card was deemed "questionable". They were matching signatures from a list that was provided by our Employer, IAM was not allowed to see said list.
 
The NMB has NEVER gone through EVERY card in ANY card drive in the past. That was clearly made to happen by pressure from our Employer.
 
So that's what we learned yesterday.
 
Is it a completely satisfying explanation of the process?
 
I don't know.
 
But I do know and can tell you all that IAM is 100% completely behind us and they have never wavered from this.
WE at this company want a CONTRACT and IAM wants to get us there.
 
Look for an important mailing from them very soon.
 
Most importantly, let's not lose our momentum and let's stay together! This campaign is very much still alive and we have the numbers to win. And our Employer knows this!!!
 
So put on your pins, tags and keep talking!! Stay Strong!!!
#‎RightTheWrong

That's a hell of a spin job right there. It also obvious that they know someone in their camp was responsible for the card fraud. Fascinating how they keep wanting to put it behind them, ie; quickly bury it and move on.

The narrative they are crafting is a pretty transparent.

 

[700UW]

you won't have the DOJ come poking its head around Tech Ops because there was no representation campaign there so you can't say what you would do without being in their shoes.

I can assure you that the FAs will scatter and stop talking about the representation campaign if there is any hint of an investigation.

and let's be clear that the company could well benefit from the DOJ's interest in the case to help squash labor's interest in representation so FAs have every reason to keep quiet.

And you can?

You were never a FA and you have been gone from DL for over eight years.

 

[Kev3188]

First there was the comparison of FAs to someone getting ready to jump off a bridge. Now they're being likened to roaches scattering when a light's turned on.

That's a helluva way to see your former peers...

 

[WorldTraveler]

That's a hell of a spin job right there. It also obvious that they know someone in their camp was responsible for the card fraud. Fascinating how they keep wanting to put it behind them, ie; quickly bury it and move on.

The narrative they are crafting is a pretty transparent.

 
not only is it a spin job but it is full of the same lies whether they be from the IAM or its DL employee supporters.

The IAM WOULD NOT have won an election given that more than enough cards were invalidated and there are multiple reports that people signed cards just to either force the company to cough up money - a long term DL employee strategy - or to get the IAM and its supporters off of its back.

The NMB was simply doing their job - accurately counting cards. Whether they did it before is not the point; they had the right to do it. Save the fight for the courtyard when the DOJ lays out the evidence to the judge.

and, I have a feeling that the DOJ will drop their results and the same rats fleeing from a sinking ship phenomenon will be seen once again.
 

And you can?
You were never a FA and you have been gone from DL for over eight years.

 

and you still keep spouting the same lies - it has been less than 8 years since I left DL, I actually worked there while you never have, and I accurately predicted where this would turn out - which is something you and Kev cannot accept.

DL'S CURRENT NON-UNION EMPLOYEES HAVE REPEATEDLY VOICED THEIR DESIRE TO REMAIN THAT WAY.


 

First there was the comparison of FAs to someone getting ready to jump off a bridge. Now they're being likened to roaches scattering when a light's turned on.

That's a helluva way to see your former peers...

you can call it what you want but DL employees are now different from anyone else.

The innocent and the guilty both flee when the police show up after an armed robbery.

and they will stay away regardless of what the IAM wants to do because

 

[700UW]

So numerous DL FAs have contacted their FSM in person and in writing requesting DL to provide them with the signature DL submitted on their behalf.

All of their requests have been denied.
 
So much for a direct relationship, family and culture.
 
Why would DL refuse the FA to see their signature?
 
What is DL hiding?
 
Some FAs are getting ready to file a FOIA to get their card or copy from the NMB.

 

[southwind]

First there was the comparison of FAs to someone getting ready to jump off a bridge. Now they're being likened to roaches scattering when a light's turned on.
That's a helluva way to see your former peers...

Naw, that's just the IAM hierarchy he's referring to.

 

[700UW]

Naw, that's just the IAM hierarchy he's referring to.

 
 

you won't have the DOJ come poking its head around Tech Ops because there was no representation campaign there so you can't say what you would do without being in their shoes.

I can assure you that the FAs will scatter and stop talking about the representation campaign if there is any hint of an investigation.

and let's be clear that the company could well benefit from the DOJ's interest in the case to help squash labor's interest in representation so FAs have every reason to keep quiet.

Do you know how to read and comprehend?

Its apparent you dont.