If AA and US Airways do merge, what will happen to JFK and Philadelphia
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That's where the beauty of this this plan comes in.The new AA and US will have all the airport to itself. No southwest or jet blue lowering yields.
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JFK is slot retrained and a saturated market; however, still a huge market. Philadelphia has the critical mass that JFK will never have and Philadelphia (I would barter) would be getting flights from JFK (not vice-versa). The plethora of connections that US/AA can offer at PHL (along with O&D) will be much better than fighting out AirFrance, Delta, United (Newark) to Paris with limited feed than say US/AA at Philadelphia with strong connections and strong O&D and limited competition.
When US and AA combine, neither JFK nor PHL will be going anywhere.
Not even Doug Parker is stupid enough to abandon AA's JFK network, even though he was dumb enough to trade most of US' LGA slots to DL for some magic beans (a few slots at DCA). NYC is the nation's largest air travel market and AA (on its own) or US-AA merged will continue to serve JFK (and LGA) with lots of service.
PHL doesn't have the O&D that NYC possesses, but PHL will continue to have nonstop flights to places beyond the other hubs - in other words, PHL will not become a mere spoke.
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I didn't say either would go. I said if any flights were to be shifted, they would be shifted from JFK to PHL. If US AAirways decided to start up new long haul flying, I'd wager it'd be from Philadelphia and not JFK. American can't even make Frankfurt-New york City work... nor Amsterdam nor Lisbon nor Milan nor Munich nor Athens nor Dublin nor Tel Aviv.... (I believe).
And while PHL will never have the O&D of NYC, American at JFK will never ever come close to the size of US Airways at Philadelphia. Also, NYC belong to Delta & United and JetBlue is the same size as AMR in NYC. There is no place for American in NYC anymore just as there isn't at Boston.
JFK will be put on the back burner to PHL. Thats just my thinking.
US has 440 daily flights out of PHL (630 in Charlotte, 200 DCA, 270 PHX). AMR will never have 440 daily flights out of JFK. And the competition is huge in NYC (And AMR has MISSED THE BOAT in NYC. Its done. This is 2012 where Delta/United dominate NYC along with JetBlue and foriegn carriers).
If you picked up Dallas and put it in Philadelphia's place, you wouldn't pull resources from Dallas to give to the hopeless 4 corner strategy that is JFK. Let JFK Have the big O&D cities such as Paris, London, Madrid, Frankfurt (bad example), etc. and let "Dallas" (Philadelphia) have routes that need more connections (Athens, Brussels, Milan, Lisbon).
If I'm not Mistaken American Airlines actually does fly Dallas to Frankfurt but doesn't fly JFK to Frankfurt... correct? Despite this massive O&D we hear about...
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Here is what will happen to US Airways/America West hubs after a merger:
Philly: Long gone. Just wouldn't need it with Chicago and JFK.
Charlotte: Probably downsized or eliminated because AA's Miami hub is stronger
Phoenix: It's like the halfway child of LAX and DFW, and not as strong as either.
So in essence we are flushing our own jobs away if we support this merger.
Philly: Long gone. Just wouldn't need it with Chicago and JFK.
Charlotte: Probably downsized or eliminated because AA's Miami hub is stronger
Phoenix: It's like the halfway child of LAX and DFW, and not as strong as either.
So in essence we are flushing our own jobs away if we support this merger.
UA hasn't made any major changes to EWR and IAD, 2 regionally proximal airports like PHL and JFK are.
If the traffic is there to support it, there's no reason that a combined US-AA wouldn't continue to serve PHL, CLT, MIA and JFK. If anything, I would envision PHX starting to look more like PIT.
If the traffic is there to support it, there's no reason that a combined US-AA wouldn't continue to serve PHL, CLT, MIA and JFK. If anything, I would envision PHX starting to look more like PIT.
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Why close Charlotte and Phoenix? DFW and LAX are not close to phoenix, LA is further from Phoenix than is Newark from DC and United kept DC hub. Probably Philly may go ( even though it should be kept) and probably do a terminal swap with Jetblue for their Terminal 5 and expand the terminal 5 so it can handle a major hub operation. JetBlue would be happy having the 29 gate Terminal 8 as it is modern and has more gates than Terminal 5 currently has. Charlotte, is a keeper, it is not that close to Miami.
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So, there's one "No" vote.
Of course, if you're not on the UCC, that one vote doesn't count for too much.
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i highly doubt clt would be gone just as phl not sure about phx but i believe that clt and phl would be in strong enough position similar to ua with ewr and iad
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robbedagain,
The senarios are countless and purely speculative at best. I feel quite confident DP knows where the "synergies" will take place. Nice word, passed to the shareholders on both sides, that translates into job loss for members in every union and more profits and return to the shareholders. One thing is certain... there will be job loss, station closures, subcontracting, financial and personal sacrifice from members of all unions to implement this proposed merger. Additionally, imo... there will be in the end, a significant reduction in employees represented by a union. Very appealing to Wall Street, shareholders, creditors and the like.
Which hub cities will be reduced is anyone's guess, however, I believe we know that some will face this destiny. " I see a bad moon arising..."
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I dont think Jetblue will want to trade a brand spanking new Terminal 5, for older terminal 8, to get 2 more gates.
nycbusdriver
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Money talks.
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i agree with you orgac its just a matter of time then we all will see what plays out
This has to be the most clueless thing I've ever read on this website. jetBlue's new Terminal 5 was designed specifically for jetBlue's operation of A320s and E190s, not for widebody flights like AA's 777s and 767s. The current plan is for T-8 to be built out to its originally designed size so that BA and other Oneworld partners can co-locate there. T-5 has no premium lounge space. T-5 does not have sufficient FIS space while T-8 has a very large FIS space for all the international widebody flights flown by AA.
Given that B6's T-5 and AA's new T-8 are both fairly new and modern and both were designed for their current occupants, why on earth would a combined US-AA even suggest trading terminals with B6?
If anyone at JFK covets AA's new terminal 8, it's Delta. DL has announced a billion dollar renovation and expansion of their crappy setup, and I'm certain that DL would love to move into a turn-key T-8.
I agree except the part about the "older terminal 8," While it's slightly older, both terminals are basically new.
