If we merge with AA will this still happen?

[Crazy Daytripper]

Plans for CLT http://charmeck.org/...resentation.pdf

 

[PHL]

CLT should learn from PIT and not pin all its hope on one tenant.

 

[wings396]

I'm going to say that it will. You can't defer planning for the future based on what may or may not happen. Given the time that it will take to complete these projects, I'm sure they will know ahead of time if they should scale back their plans.

 

[traderjake]

They need to close Runway 23 and expand the ramp if they're going to add all those gates.

The ramp can't handle the traffic now.

 

[LD3]

Hopefully Orr and his merry band of idiots will retire before anymore damage can be done to the airport....The city is slowly bringing in their own people, so the end may be near for all the bullshit going on there...Rumor has it, the Feds are snooping around looking into possible palm greasing..

 

[Harry Callahan]

Hopefully Orr and his merry band of idiots will retire before anymore damage can be done to the airport....The city is slowly bringing in their own people, so the end may be near for all the bullshit going on there...Rumor has it, the Feds are snooping around looking into possible palm greasing..

Now that sounds like a winner.

 

[LD3]

Terry Popes news conference...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eutc4bx3c6I

 

[firedougparker]

The problem is that all we can do is speculate. No one knows. CLT could end up like PIT and LAS, or it could be an even bigger hub.

I think that in a merger CLT would actually be okay because it's got a valuable position on the map. It's PHX and PHL I think would close.

 

[robbedagain]

i highly doubt that phl would close given its a money maker especially transatlantic runs as for phx i think it would still be may be along the lines of dca but more flights but not close to say lax where aa has large ops

 

[FWAAA]

The problem is that all we can do is speculate. No one knows. CLT could end up like PIT and LAS, or it could be an even bigger hub.

I think that in a merger CLT would actually be okay because it's got a valuable position on the map. It's PHX and PHL I think would close.


My prediction is that CLT remains an important hub, but it's much, much smaller than Atlanta, and thus, it will never support as much air travel as ATL. Orr is dreaming - he apparently wants to run the biggest hub in the world and yet doesn't live in the right city to do that. If AA and US combine, MIA will remain the primary gateway to Central and South America. It's where the O&D exists. Same with NYC. The talking heads have convinced everyone that AA needs CLT to connect the RIC-JAX passengers (and similar connections that are impossible today on AA). But that does not mean that CLT continues to grow like kudzu. Orr's low costs won't matter if the O&D is actually in the bigger cities. AA isn't going to fly New Yorkers to CLT before flying them to Brasil (and vice versa). Same with MIA. Same with DFW.

I don't think that CLT will get the same treatment as STL, but I do think that Orr's grand plans will never materialize.

i highly doubt that phl would close given its a money maker especially transatlantic runs as for phx i think it would still be may be along the lines of dca but more flights but not close to say lax where aa has large ops

Agreed. I don't think PHL will get STL'd either. PHX? It will never be a large TATL or TPAC gateway. Flights to China and Japan and other parts of Asia will be flown from LAX, not PHX. PHX already has AA/BA service to London (thanks to the immunized joint venture) and thus, I don't see more flights to LHR. To the extent that passengers are double connecting in PHX and CLT, those will go away (DFW offers single connections for many of the double connections thru the barbell hub systems).

 

[signals]

CLT should learn from PIT and not pin all its hope on one tenant.

CLT is actually a US stronghold, pax wise. PIT was nothing more than an employee stronghold. The difference is $$$$$$$$!

 

[PHL]

On the contrary, at one time that PIT was a very big US stronghold in terms of passenger volume until around the early 2000's when things started to come apart. The BTS web site shows that the airline travel data stats are undergoing maintenance, so I can't look back before 2000 right now. But look at this trend in the first 10 years of the decade. In 2000, PIT was not too far behind CLT. I suspect a report of the 90's would show PIT initially as having the larger share of enplanements with a gradual decrease as CLT increased.

2000: CLT had 11.4 million, PIT had 9.8 million
2010: CLT had 19 million, PIT had 4 million

Source: http://www.faa.gov/airports/planning_capacity/passenger_allcargo_stats/passenger/

 

[firedougparker]

Those are really interesting stats. I'm not surprised to see them after what we've seen unfold before our eyes in the last ten years.

CLT is probably in the strongest position of all the hubs, but I still worry that it could be dominated by DFW and MIA on many domestic routes in the Southwest and then Central and Latin America.