I'm Sorry

[kao]

Another urban legend, ch. 12.

Prior to bk, US had cross-utilization prescribed in the CWA and IAM contracts for station operations.

When we at U were going thru this (I feel deja vue all over again), the Palace was trying to sell that WN productivity angle, too.

Sooo, I put up $100 for anyone who could cite ANY US location that cross-utilized.

Still got the Benjamins, dude.

Moreover, WN does not have express operations to lower (in principle) their costs. Everybody at Wn is mainline.

Now, WN certainly was, and is more productive than U. You'd think after two BK's, that would have changed.

But the REASON WN is more productive is not because they're supermen. The proof of this is simple. Ck the US vs. WN DOT metrics from 1995-2001.

Comparable stats.

The reason is, WN management uses their workforce more efficiently.

Plain and simple. US stuck with business as usual, and forced the employees to pay for it.

[post="290630"][/post]​

I think BOI HP still cross utilizes employee's....shhhhh...don't tell management!

 

[tug_slug]

There is a big difference between high pay and livable wage. 7.50/h is not a livable wage. People that work need to earn a livable wage. In a country as wealthy as ours, it's a crime for anyone to work and still live below poverty. I bet you anything, if the pie is shared more fairly between all work groups, you can achieve that. Unfortunately, that's not the case. You have some management and some work groups that are overpaid, and others that are way underpaid. It's all about redefining the pie more fairly. My other issue is why unskilled labor should accept to live in poverty? Unskilled labor does not equal easy job. Some unskilled labor is the toughest type of work that can be done (try corn detasseling), and people should be compensated fairly for that hard work, albeit unskilled. Why should a Ramp Agent live below poverty while working in 117 or in 25 below degrees doing manual labor? Do I think the world is going to change overnight? NO, but we have to strive for better living conditions and we can't just give up and say "those days are over". If everyone thought that, we'd all still be working for landlords

[post="290827"][/post]​

DING... DING we have a winner.... give that man a cigar!

Thank you twambassador, you beat me to the punch.

Ch 12 Im not saying a ramper or a res agent has to make as much as a DR or a Lawyer Im saying that they should be able to make enough money to put food on the table and pay their bills, they should be able to have the opportunity to plan for some sort of a future, whether its sending their children to college or their retirement.

AWA doesnt want that type of employee, they want the kind that will stay there a year maybe two than quit... so you tell me does Doug actually care about his employees like some of the other members on this board would have you believe or is it just another sweat shop?

I've seen them work, I know what they go thru, I've witnessed the high turnover rate there, for someone to come onto this board and tell me "Doug cares" IMO is full of it!

 

[EricLv2Fish]

What I'm sorry about is that AWA is merging with a company full of cry-babies. This merger won't work as none of the US employees will let it work. What a bunch of malcontents. Wipe your tears, blow your nose and get on with running an airline or LEAVE!
:rant:

[post="289037"][/post]​

I'm not sure who the malcontent is!? Clearly the majority of US Airways folks are behind the merger and allowing the 3 VPs in surely will help smooth the transition. The US Airway folks have been thru quite a bit of pain and their concerns are understandable. Let's be a little more compassionate toward their suffering and embrace them into our family and get on with business!

 

[The End]

As a US employee I can honestly say in my opinion whether you like them or not they have saved this airline and prepared it to have the ablity to not only merge with another healthy managed carrier but more importantly saved its name and its employees. We are far far ahead of the likes of Delats NWA and the rest!

[post="290853"][/post]​

They didn't prepare anything except to put U in bankruptcy!! The judge did all the work for them as usual. If it wasn't for the hard working employees this airline would have been gone years ago. The management has done nothing but ruin it!! I hope Mr. Parker can change things. Contrary to what you may think of me or other U employees that appear to be negitive it's because we have a hard time trusting the execs. History has proven that they could care less about any employee including you. They quickly line their pockets and leave. The End

 

[diogenes]

As a US employee I can honestly say in my opinion whether you like them or not they have saved this airline and prepared it to have the ablity to not only merge with another healthy managed carrier but more importantly saved its name and its employees. We are far far ahead of the likes of Delats NWA and the rest!

[post="290853"][/post]​

And I can honestly say in my opinion U management deliberately steered this ship into the shallows, forcing the company to 'lighten the load.'

And they already had employees labelled as ballast.

 

[hulagirl]

Since none of you HP employees have had to work for Crellin, Hemenway or Presti, you have no room to talk.

The three men have ruined the company and its employees in their own unique fashion, but I would not expect any of you to know this since you have not been through four or more paycuts, two bankruptcies in less then two year, managened by threats and intimidations, over 150 planes parked and 20,000 less employees.

When you have walked a mile in the US' employees shoes then you can comment, until then I suggest you listen and watch very carefully as your turn is next.

[post="289132"][/post]​

No, we haven't had to deal with those people. But, we did deal with FRANKE and all of his evil sidekicks. I think you guys at "East" Us Air will be pleasantly surprised by Doug Parker. He is a real guy,listens, and although he may disagree with you, he will tell you the truth. We are ALL lucky to have him! I personally feel bad for all of us in this industry that have dealt with these :down: management types, but all of us at the NEW USAir will have the best in the industry as our CEO. How about a little compassion for your fellow employees? Give this a chance!

 

[N109UW]

$17.13 is still more than what most teachers make. So what about that fact?

Clean a crapper or educate our young????? ummmmm which is more important???

Forget the kids, I have a shinny bowl! LOL

Oh and about your other long rambling post. You sound very disgrunted and upset, think about relaxing some and get a hobby besides going to BK hearings....

[post="289683"][/post]​

Excuse me here, but isn't cleaning planes like a min. wage job. How many weeks of training did it take to empty a trashcan, throw pillows and blankets in an overhead, and to set toilet paper and paper towels in the galley so the F/A could put them in the lav. I know for a fact some of the cleaners in CLT were making over $50,000 per year. I used to sit OPR in the crewroom and they would be in there playing checkers and reading books. It was pathetic. No supervision.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

Yep, cleaning a plane is like being a hotel maid, show me a hotel maid that gets $17 an hour.

That is an exorbitant salary for the level of skill on that job.

 

[barbeetantrums]

Yep, cleaning a plane is like being a hotel maid, show me a hotel maid that gets $17 an hour.

That is an exorbitant salary for the level of skill on that job.

[post="294940"][/post]​

You only get what you negotiate for.

 

[700UW]

Excuse me here, but isn't cleaning planes like a min. wage job. How many weeks of training did it take to empty a trashcan, throw pillows and blankets in an overhead, and to set toilet paper and paper towels  in the galley so the F/A could put them in the lav. I know for a fact some of the cleaners in CLT were making over $50,000 per year. I used to sit OPR in the crewroom and they would be in there playing checkers and reading books. It was pathetic. No supervision.

[post="294890"][/post]​

And isn't being a flight attendant being a waitress who knows CPR and how to open a plane door,, maybe you should work for $2 an hour plus tips.

Ever crawl into the wing of a 737 and clean the fuel tanks?

Ever hang from the hangar cieling and buff a 767?

Ever get stabbed by a needle in a seat back pocket?

Been trained on biohazards?

Ever had to climb into the tail of a 737 and clean up skydrol?

And if a utility person, since US never had cleaners, is such a tough job then why do the planes that came from stations where the FAs had to clean them looked like pig styes?

And in order to make $50,000 that person had to work enough overtime to make an extra $14,000 since base salary is only $36,000.

If it is so easy on your next thru flight go hop in the lav truck and service the plane too, and watch out to make sure the chute is not loaded.

And when there was not a flight on your gate you were allowed to stay in the breakroom, isn't that like when you sit in the jumpseat and read your magazine or newspaper during a flight? Or rummaging through the meals to eat? Or how about the international FAs who use to empty the Evian into their own water bottles then fill the Evian bottles with airplane tap water then serve to the passengers? No supervision, pathetic.

See people in glass houses should not throw stones.

Until you walk a mile in someone's shoes and know their job totally, is when you should make judgements, otherwise you sound ignorant.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

The question was about aircraft cleaners, but you took the question and spun it into many other jobs and didn't answer the question.

Why do teachers make less than an unskilled laborer vacuuming the carpet from an airplane and changing the toilet paper?

Focus on the question, not another one of your rants.

The union is there to ensure wages that are way out of line with the work performed.

 

[700UW]

See all those things I posted were done by Utility, see at US they were Utility not cleaners.

Maybe you should learn what the whole job entails. Educate yourself instead of going on what you heard, or only saw in the cabin of an airplane.

And market forces drive the wages. And Utility at UAL and NWA made more then US and still do.

 

[hulagirl]

And isn't being a flight attendant being a waitress who knows CPR and how to open a plane door,, maybe you should work for $2 an hour plus tips.

Ever crawl into the wing of a 737 and clean the fuel tanks?

Ever hang from the hangar cieling and buff a 767?

Ever get stabbed by a needle in a seat back pocket?

Been trained on biohazards?

Ever had to climb into the tail of a 737 and clean up skydrol?

And if a utility person, since US never had cleaners, is such a tough job then why do the planes that came from stations where the FAs had to clean them looked like pig styes?

And in order to make $50,000 that person had to work enough overtime to make an extra $14,000 since base salary is only $36,000.

If it is so easy on your next thru flight go hop in the lav truck and service the plane too, and watch out to make sure the chute is not loaded.

And when there was not a flight on your gate you were allowed to stay in the breakroom, isn't that like when you sit in the jumpseat and read your magazine or newspaper during a flight? Or rummaging through the meals to eat? Or how about the international FAs who use to empty the Evian into their own water bottles then fill the Evian bottles with airplane tap water then serve to the passengers? No supervision, pathetic.

See people in glass houses should not throw stones.

Until you walk a mile in someone's shoes and know their job totally, is when you should make judgements, otherwise you sound ignorant.

[post="294987"][/post]​

Actually, we have done some of those things, 700UW!
Are YOU involved with YOUR union? Trying to change things that you feel need to be changed? OR, just complaining? Sounds like you need a little anger management assistance. Chill out B)

 

[tadjr]

Are YOU involved with YOUR union? Trying to change things that you feel need to be changed? OR, just complaining?

[post="295250"][/post]​

Oh no you di-int.
Please 700, just say yes you are involved and move on..... 😉

 

[EricLv2Fish]

No, we haven't had to deal with those people. But, we did deal with FRANKE and all of his evil sidekicks. I think you guys at "East" Us Air will be pleasantly surprised by Doug Parker. He is a real guy,listens, and although he may disagree with you, he will tell you the truth. We are ALL lucky to have him! I personally feel bad for all of us in this industry that have dealt with these :down: management types, but all of us at the NEW USAir will have the best in the industry as our CEO. How about a little compassion for your fellow employees? Give this a chance!

[post="294644"][/post]​

Amen.