Iraq - what do we do now?

[Gilding the Lily]

My goodness,sounds much like a country that got its start back in the late 1700's 😱

Please. Comparisons of Iraq to the U.S. is ludicrous.

 

[delldude]

Please. Comparisons of Iraq to the U.S. is ludicrous.

I was refering to Swaziland dude.....

 

[Gilding the Lily]

I was refering to Swaziland dude.....

As was I; U.S. was a reference to "Umbuso we Swatini," the Kingdom of Swaziland.

 

[Flying Titan]

One thing I've never done is cower from a fight, you start something with me and you can bet I will finish it.

Now that's funny!!!

You've fallen silent from real debates on this board more times than I can count. Most recent case that I'm personally aware of is your lack of response to post #162 in this thread. Moreover, in this thread entitled "Iraq - what do we do now?" you had no problem asking others what they would plan to do (and rip them for it) but had to be called-out repeatedly before you finally admitted you can't come up with anything of substance.

And your retreat-into-silent-defeat debate history doesn't end there. Your entire "Illegal Aliens" thread was such an embarrasment that you ran and hid from the debate there like a little child in just a couple of days.

So there's really no need for so much bluster. You've already shown us whether you will or won't cower - and your deeds don't equal your words from the quote above.

 

[delldude]

So what...your cronies pull the same crap too.....

Example....silent keys from your resident global warming expert.... :blink:

 

[Flying Titan]

So what...your cronies pull the same crap too.....

Example....silent keys from your resident global warming expert.... :blink:

Then perhaps you should call them out on it...especially if they're such hypocrites as to write that they "never cower from a fight," or "you start something with me and you can bet I will finish it." Many other examples of that?

 

[local 12 proud]

Now that's funny!!!

You've fallen silent from real debates on this board more times than I can count. Most recent case that I'm personally aware of is your lack of response to post #162 in this thread. Moreover, in this thread entitled "Iraq - what do we do now?" you had no problem asking others what they would plan to do (and rip them for it) but had to be called-out repeatedly before you finally admitted you can't come up with anything of substance.

And your retreat-into-silent-defeat debate history doesn't end there. Your entire "Illegal Aliens" thread was such an embarrasment that you ran and hid from the debate there like a little child in just a couple of days.

So there's really no need for so much bluster. You've already shown us whether you will or won't cower - and your deeds don't equal your words from the quote above.

What now your the hall monitor? you think because someone does'nt reply to your post in timely sorts they are running skeeered?

I'll debate you left wing kooks anyday, anywhere and match wits without blinking. you were embarrased by 'Illegal Aliens'? well booo hooo it offended your pc liberal diseased cranium, You think I really Give a SH!T about your oppinion ? :blink:

Well Im off to pull guard rotation for the Border Militia and help do the honorable thing by booting some Illegals back across the Rio Grande.

Until our paths cross again, Hasta La Vista 😉

 

[Flying Titan]

I'll debate you left wing kooks anyday, anywhere and match wits without blinking.

You seem really good at name-calling, but I've seen very little in the form of actual debate from you. You know, the kind where you use relevant, verifiable facts to support your argument. Again, this thread is a good example.

you were embarrased by 'Illegal Aliens'? well booo hooo it offended your pc liberal diseased cranium, You think I really Give a SH!T about your oppinion ? :blink:

Not my thread, so I have nothing to be embarrased about. However, if I had ever posted a thread with such shoddy numbers to back it up, then, yes, I would have been embarrased. I guess that's the difference between you and me - I have standards. I actually care whether my posts have facts that are accurate. You clearly don't.

BTW, nice language. I've always said you could tell who was losing an argument by seeing who curses first. Means they've got nothing else left. Enough said.

 

[local 12 proud]

You seem really good at name-calling, but I've seen very little in the form of actual debate from you. You know, the kind where you use relevant, verifiable facts to support your argument. Again, this thread is a good example.

You must mean those liberal slanted facts that lean to the far left?

Not my thread, so I have nothing to be embarrased about. However, if I had ever posted a thread with such shoddy numbers to back it up, then, yes, I would have been embarrased.

Shoddy numbers by YOUR estimation perhaps, now dispel them with your factual numbers genuis.

I guess that's the difference between you and me - I have standards. I actually care whether my posts have facts that are accurate. You clearly don't.

Again the burden is now on you to dispel the facts. put up or shut up!

BTW, nice language. I've always said you could tell who was losing an argument by seeing who curses first. Means they've got nothing else left. Enough said.

I have'nt lost anything you've yet to counter my post with anything other than 'I don't believe your right wing post' sniveling and as far as my language goes, who the heck are you?
Dudley Do right of the keyboard Mounties? Does'nt set well with your pc indoctrination? well...TFB 😀

 

[Flying Titan]

Local 12 -
Point by point -

No. Facts are facts. They may be used to support one argument or the other - but they're still facts, and therefore don't lean one way or the other.

Yes, your numbers are shoddy by my estimation - and probably anyone who would take an objective look at that thread. You'll notice that to support my assessment, I cited readily available data from the US Department of Justice. Is that the liberal, slanted fact source you were referring to?

As for my burden to dispel your "numbers" (not facts, since they can't seem to be verified by any credible source), it's already been met. Perhaps you should take the time to re-read my posts. Let me know if you need me to cite post numbers to assist you with your research.

And again, nice finish with the name calling. I wouldn't have expected anything better from you.

 

[Gilding the Lily]

I think some of the violence in Iraq is due, in part, to the steep unemployment rate. CNN (may be skewed) recently said that the unemployment rate was between 20-60% depending on what part of Iraq you are discussing.

There have been countless studies in the U.S. that conclude that unemployment and/or poverty may lead to crime. Although Iraq is a different country, I would suggest that unemployment/poverty have the same effect in Iraq as well. When people are desperate or do not have anything to live for, they may turn to radical ideas, or worse, radial activities.

Recently, the Dow Jones Industrial News mentioned that the U.S. military is attempting to create 11,000 jobs by opening 10 Iraqi factories. Solving the unemployment problem would do more good than adding troops.

I think this is a step in the right direction. I just hope that the military is not too involved. I do not want to see a situation where U.S. Field Commanders are also serving as "managers" of a factory. They may be attempting to do this already, but I suggest that the military search for Iraqi business leaders who are interested in reopening those factories and using the U.S. military for limited support only. I have no doubt in my mind that U.S. business would line-up to purchase products that were "made in Iraq."

 

[local 12 proud]

Local 12 -
Point by point -

No. Facts are facts. They may be used to support one argument or the other - but they're still facts, and therefore don't lean one way or the other.

Wow genius nice try on your spin of verbage but you look like a complete Idiot!

Facts are Facts scholar, in fact a fact is something that can be proven unlike a scientific hypothesis.
In Fact you can go here for your Fact finding.
http://www.wordreference.com/definition/fact

and yes a fact does lean one way or the other.

Yes, your numbers are shoddy by my estimation - and probably enyone who would take an objective look at that thread. You'll notice that to support my assessment, I cited readily available data from the US Department of Justice.

So if its not coming from the US government then you don't believe it eh?
I believe its you liberals who are constantly beating the cover-up drum crying foul about government abuse and the witholding of vital information, unless of course it lines up with your agenda then it must be the gospel truth?

Well those statistics about 12 americans being murderd each day by 'Illegal Aliens' was released by a government offical Rep. Steve King a Republican from Iowa, but of course we all know how you Libs feel about those right wingers so it must be all lies. You people are a laughing stock of brain dead fecal matter.

As for my burden to dispel your "numbers" (not facts, since they can't seem to be verified by any credible source), it's already been met.

No it has'nt been met, you've only tried to twist words and their meanings. You know like the one whose toilet throne you probably worship every time he has a bowel movement...'Depends on what the meaning of Is..Is' BJ Clinton.

Perhaps you should take the time to re-read my posts. Let me know if you need me to cite post numbers to assist you with your research.

Perhaps you should look up the definition of a four letter word before you go shootin off your overloaded pie hole! 😉

 

[Flying Titan]

GTL -
You're right. Major unemployment only makes the problem worse...but, Iraq is still a war zone so it's no surprise that so many people are out of work. It's a problem for the economy on so many levels...

- People are afraid to shop except when they absolutely have to.
- Low traffic forces businesses to lay off employees, cut back hours, or shut down.
- In other cases, employees are afraid to go to work.

Every aspect of economic trade is hurt. It may be a good idea for the US to try to start or prop up new businesses, but it still comes down to making the environment secure enough for economic activity to grow.

It's kind of a chicken and egg problem. How do you promote economic activity (and employment) in an unstable environment? How do you stabilize the environment with so many people who have no jobs and nothing (constructive) to do? Finding a solution to this could be a big step toward actually ending the war.

 

[Flying Titan]

Facts are Facts

Now you're just repeating what I said and pretending it's something different.

in fact a fact is something that can be proven unlike a scientific hypothesis.

Huh? Let me get this straight. Now, you're saying a scientific hypothesis can't be proven? The whole process known as the scientific method depends on the ability to prove whether or not a hypothesis is valid. Did you make it past eighth grade???

and yes a fact does lean one way or the other.

No they don't. Here's an example that should be simple enough for you to understand (let's hope anyway)...

Position: The principal of the school believes he can save money by eliminating a class, and still provide a good education for the students.

Facts (two of them): The average class in the elementary school has 20 students. 10+7 = 17 These facts are neutral, but I can use these facts to support an argument.

Argument for the principal's position using facts to support: Mr. Smith's class has ten students. Mrs. Jones' class has seven students. If you combine the classes, there will still only be 17 students. Since 17 is less than the average class size of 20 students, the principal's position should be supported and a class should be eliminated.

The facts don't lean in any direction. They can be used to support or oppose an argument.

So if its not coming from the US government then you don't believe it eh?

I never said that. You did. In this case, you cited information posted on a website by a group that is essentially unknown...based on data collected by a guy named "Mac Johnson" - with no affiliation listed. I compared those numbers to crime statistics available from the US Department of Justice. Are you really arguing that "Mac Johnson" - with no affiliation given, is more credible? Mac Johnson may be a genius, or he may be an unemployed high school dropout sitting in his underwear in his mother's basement making all this stuff up. How would anyone know?

Well those statistics about 12 americans being murderd each day by 'Illegal Aliens' was released by a government offical Rep. Steve King a Republican from Iowa,

All Steve King did was repeat data given by some guy named "Mac Johnson." That doesn't make it any more credible.

You know like the one whose toilet throne you probably worship every time he has a bowel movement...'Depends on what the meaning of Is..Is' BJ Clinton.

Perhaps you should look up the definition of a four letter word before you go shootin off your overloaded pie hole! 😉

Nice finish. Again, way to show us what a talented debater you are. Still waiting for you to start dropping F-bombs, but I've got a feeling they're on the way soon. Mad skills man...mad skills!

 

[local 12 proud]

name='Flying Titan' date='Dec 12 2006, 11:27 AM' post='437422']
Now you're just repeating what I said and pretending it's something different.

No thats your job Polly!

Huh? Let me get this straight. Now, you're saying a scientific hypothesis can't be proven? The whole process known as the scientific method depends on the ability to prove whether or not a hypothesis is valid.

Hypothesis is theory and is a process of fact finding, its not in and of itself FACT

Scientific hypothesis
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A scientific hypothesis is a hypothesis (a testable conjecture) that has not been tested by the prediction validation process for a scientific theory.

Theories can become accepted if they are able to make correct predictions and avoid incorrect ones. Theories which are simpler, and more mathematically elegant, tend to be accepted over theories which are complex. Theories are more likely to be accepted if they connect a wide range of phenonomena. The process of accepting theories is part of the scientific method.

Did you make it past eighth grade???

I certainly know the difference between theory and Fact

No they don't. Here's an example that should be simple enough for you to understand (let's hope anyway)...

Position: The principal of the school believes he can save money by eliminating a class, and still provide a good education for the students.

Facts (two of them): The average class in the elementary school has 20 students. 10+7 = 17 These facts are neutral, but I can use these facts to support an argument.

Argument for the principal's position using facts to support: Mr. Smith's class has ten students. Mrs. Jones' class has seven students. If you combine the classes, there will still only be 17 students. Since 17 is less than the average class size of 20 students, the principal's position should be supported and a class should be eliminated.

That proves nothing except to say it would be economical to eliminate a class and combine two, now your trying to confuse Facts with Fact Finding which leads us back to Theory.

The facts don't lean in any direction. They can be used to support or oppose an argument.

No facts are used to show a known, provable, position and they most assuredly lean in one direction or the other.

Nice finish. Again, way to show us what a talented debater you are. Still waiting for you to start dropping F-bombs, but I've got a feeling they're on the way soon. Mad skills man...mad skills!

Tell ya what, you obviously think your going to insult my Intelligence by twisting and spinning your words and throw some hypothetical into the mix in hopes of winning your arguement...It did'nt work and you only made yourself look Ignorant.

This is going nowhere, you're obviously suffering from that dreaded liberal delusional disease and will stop at nothing to win an arguement...Frankly your boring the sh!t out of me so with that, Knock yourself out!