wow...how nice of you to portray the state of unionism at US Airways on the east side.
EVERYONE GET INVOLVED IN YOUR UNION-ok dude but i'm busy...get back to me on whats going on at the hall....kids you know...
and it isn't going to change 😉
Is the IAM a company union?
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EVERYONE GET INVOLVED IN YOUR UNION-ok dude but i'm busy...get back to me on whats going on at the hall....kids you know...
and it isn't going to change 😉
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and this is why unions are not working these days and that's why if it comes down to a vote, well you fill in the rest.
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The "what if" factor again. Let's just wait and see. You may be very surprised to see many IAM members voting. It is very distressing to hear all the negative comments about the "laziness" of the IAM members COMING FROM IAM MEMBERS. Only a few seem to be so negative about their other members. I have more confidence in the IAM membership than some of the "posting" members on this thread and some former members too. 🙂
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awausairtech
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Me too
uh...i don't understand.....
awausairtech
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For me I have Faith in the members, They are the union witch ever they are IBT or IAM.uh...i don't understand.....
Dell give me 6pt on SEA and the bet is a beer with a union brother you win I fly and if you loose you fly.
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well BET
get off your a@@ and bet if we canot get you IAM BOYS to vote. lololololoololol
GOT TO GO TO THE SPORTS BOOK, FOOD AND FUN HAVE A NICE GAME. YOU HAVE TIME TO THINK ON THE BET LOL.
Mine on the members lol.
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you win. awausairtech you fly. pit nice this time of yeari'll be out later this year possibly...first round win or lose on me.
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I can't resist any longer.....I must stir the pot!!
There were many different monikers associated with the acronym: IAM. Here are some that I have heard over the years.
Idiots Against Mechanics.
I'll Ask Management.
International Association of Muckrakers.
International Association of Morons.
It's About Money.
Also the favorite slogans:
I'll Roll-Over if provoked.
I'll STRIKE a DEAL if provoked .
We'll Shut em down.
We'll support whatever the membership decide (re-vote) <_<
So where do you suppose all these sayings came from anyway??????
There were many different monikers associated with the acronym: IAM. Here are some that I have heard over the years.
Idiots Against Mechanics.
I'll Ask Management.
International Association of Muckrakers.
International Association of Morons.
It's About Money.
Also the favorite slogans:
I'll Roll-Over if provoked.
I'll STRIKE a DEAL if provoked
.We'll Shut em down.
We'll support whatever the membership decide (re-vote) <_<
So where do you suppose all these sayings came from anyway??????
A SCAB Union?
One of the more bizarre aspects to the lockout was the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and their involvement in the attempt at the unionizing of SCABs at Nationair.
When the Flight Attendants/Pursers and In-Flight Service Managers first unionized with CUPE, Nationair froze the ISM position and created the IFD position, which was not unionized and was a managerial position. This in effect, removed one working body from our aircraft, unless you were working with one of the few ISM's left. IFD's could not participate in service as that was "owned" by our bargaining unit. Nationair did not want to put another flight attendant on board, and felt (initially) that they needed a manager who was not part of any union on board, to be the eyes and ears of Management.
As most would probably expect, eventually, the IFD's decided to unionize, so CUPE and the Teamsters battled it out. Each holding information/disinformation meetings as the case may be. The Teamsters won the certification vote. This happened before the lockout.
So during the lockout the Teamsters set sights on the scabs. Getting them to sign union cards and saying that they would be the only group certified to work on Nationair aircraft and that the locked out flight attendants walking the picket lines would be history, never coming back because they weren't part of the Teamsters union.
As it turned out, Nationair didn't have a problem with it's flight attendants being part of a union, as long as it was the Teamsters union. Apparently, what they really had a problem with was CUPE. You know you're in trouble when a company wants you to join a certain union.
It all got rather confusing I'm sure... the company endorsing one union over the one they'd locked out, saying that they'll negotiate with the Teamsters but not CUPE, the Teamsters claiming that they were the official representatives of the "new" flight attendants, and then the locked out union members picketing corporate headquarters and saying that they were the first and only bargaining unit for flight attendants.
So not only were Teamster members protecting scabs as they crossed CUPE picket lines, but they were trying to break the CUPE union and replace CUPE members with scabs.
When it was all over, Nationair had spent so much money fighting us, training scabs (well over $200,000), paying over $35,000 a month for it's "private security" goons, not paying it's bills, third-party liability insurance, landing fees, fuel taxes and what-not, that they declared bankruptcy on our first day back at work. Not only that, but the President , who cared about nothing more than his reputation, found that reputation somewhat sullied by his sudden inability to get away with mis-representations, the resignation of 3 V.P.s, (VP of Communications, Head of Marketing and Chief of Operations) and his company being linked to gun-running.
Eventually, one of our competitors would promise to hire everyone. Everyone that is, except for those nasty union officers. Sound discriminatory? We thought so too, as did the Canadian Labor Relations Board. Air Transat was found guilty of discriminating against us for our involvement in the union, totally disregarding our superior qualifications.
Pretty strange for a company that enjoys investment from the Solidarity Fund in Quebec, Canada. This is a fund made up of union member's contributions. (Of course these union people in Quebec haven't been told about this, and CUPE sure won't tell 'em, so keep it under your hat okay? They'd be plenty pissed if they found out they were financing a company that discriminates against union officers.
Teamsters Raiders....??
One of the more bizarre aspects to the lockout was the International Brotherhood of Teamsters and their involvement in the attempt at the unionizing of SCABs at Nationair.
When the Flight Attendants/Pursers and In-Flight Service Managers first unionized with CUPE, Nationair froze the ISM position and created the IFD position, which was not unionized and was a managerial position. This in effect, removed one working body from our aircraft, unless you were working with one of the few ISM's left. IFD's could not participate in service as that was "owned" by our bargaining unit. Nationair did not want to put another flight attendant on board, and felt (initially) that they needed a manager who was not part of any union on board, to be the eyes and ears of Management.
As most would probably expect, eventually, the IFD's decided to unionize, so CUPE and the Teamsters battled it out. Each holding information/disinformation meetings as the case may be. The Teamsters won the certification vote. This happened before the lockout.
So during the lockout the Teamsters set sights on the scabs. Getting them to sign union cards and saying that they would be the only group certified to work on Nationair aircraft and that the locked out flight attendants walking the picket lines would be history, never coming back because they weren't part of the Teamsters union.
As it turned out, Nationair didn't have a problem with it's flight attendants being part of a union, as long as it was the Teamsters union. Apparently, what they really had a problem with was CUPE. You know you're in trouble when a company wants you to join a certain union.
It all got rather confusing I'm sure... the company endorsing one union over the one they'd locked out, saying that they'll negotiate with the Teamsters but not CUPE, the Teamsters claiming that they were the official representatives of the "new" flight attendants, and then the locked out union members picketing corporate headquarters and saying that they were the first and only bargaining unit for flight attendants.
So not only were Teamster members protecting scabs as they crossed CUPE picket lines, but they were trying to break the CUPE union and replace CUPE members with scabs.
When it was all over, Nationair had spent so much money fighting us, training scabs (well over $200,000), paying over $35,000 a month for it's "private security" goons, not paying it's bills, third-party liability insurance, landing fees, fuel taxes and what-not, that they declared bankruptcy on our first day back at work. Not only that, but the President , who cared about nothing more than his reputation, found that reputation somewhat sullied by his sudden inability to get away with mis-representations, the resignation of 3 V.P.s, (VP of Communications, Head of Marketing and Chief of Operations) and his company being linked to gun-running.
Eventually, one of our competitors would promise to hire everyone. Everyone that is, except for those nasty union officers. Sound discriminatory? We thought so too, as did the Canadian Labor Relations Board. Air Transat was found guilty of discriminating against us for our involvement in the union, totally disregarding our superior qualifications.
Pretty strange for a company that enjoys investment from the Solidarity Fund in Quebec, Canada. This is a fund made up of union member's contributions. (Of course these union people in Quebec haven't been told about this, and CUPE sure won't tell 'em, so keep it under your hat okay? They'd be plenty pissed if they found out they were financing a company that discriminates against union officers.
Teamsters Raiders....??
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Teamsters did not take work from a striking union at Northwest now did they - but that POS IAM sure had thier members do it - THAT IS A SCAB UNION
You did not see one of our Teamsters touch a Northwest aircraft after the mechanics walked. It was solidly refused after the Northwest requested.
You did not see one of our Teamsters touch a Northwest aircraft after the mechanics walked. It was solidly refused after the Northwest requested.
