JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

i wouldnt count on it. The math show something gotta give again.
Im all for informed consen and choice. The twu and iam will sell the iampf plan as a great choice for the twu peeps. Maybe a 1 time choice AND the witholding of info will improperly inform the twu peeps. All new hires will most likely be forced into the iampf. I wont be given a choice.

The issue is that you're right that I doubt very much the IAM is willingly going to let you out of the plan. They need you and others to continue to keep it propped up to support hopefully not having to make any future cuts to it.

That's why I feel your advocacy is somewhat shooting off your nose to spite your face. If I'm not offered the choice/option of joining into your pension fund that means less participants to help you keep your current multiplier in the future.

Again it's ultimately no skin off my apple since I've already laid out my financial roadmap for my retirement without the plan and have said it would only be gravy on top of the meat. But for many of your members it may be the meat itself?

Ironic how it seems you want to try and take the meat off the table for your own coworkers, Brothers and Sisters?

You're a real head scratcher sometimes Tim.

Oh and I highly doubt that the TWU will do the hard sell on the plan on any of its pages? More than likely again if it's offered to us as a choice the TWU will let us simply make up our own minds about it.

 

[WeAAsles]

Remember, LUS had the $81 as well. Now it is $50. Who knows what it will be in 10 years, could be $25. The plan is subject to a 3rd party and NOT you. That 3rd party will have to make further benefit cuts probably twice more by the time you are 62, and with Obama's new law assisting Union pension bosses to slash retiree pensions, it's going to be an endless cycle. You aren't a very smart man to want to dive into a plan that historically had to make severe cuts and will have to make ongoing severe cuts. I doubt seriously that you would actually make the presumed one time plunge into this plan, although I fully agree that you will advocate and say you are since you will do whatever the IAM wants you to do for the promised job. Otherwise, logically, it doesn't make any sense that you would have your company sidestep your account, that you control, and instead give the money to an account that is NOT yours, but a 3rd party, and then give a knife to the pension trustees to slash your money. Hey, it benefits me if you and other lemmings walk over the cliff but my desire is to make sure you are informed before you self destruct.

If the choice winds up being between one or the other only I'm leaning more towards just continuing on with the 401k match.

I say again. I'm leaning more towards remaining with the 401k match over the IAMPF.

But if our negotiators could secure it, I'll gladly and happily take BOTH.

But Tim I did and do appreciate your warnings. You were the first one to make TWU members aware that there had been benefit cuts in the first place on our FB pages and we then did our own further research from there. Thank you for that.

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh and Tim, neither the TWU or IAM have ever offered me a job. But admittedly I have asked people in both organizations if they could arrange a means for me to get a picture taken with Hillary Clinton. That would be pretty cool.

And a friend of mine in the TWU did get me a shirt from TWU Local 527 (and I got 2 hats as well)

Don't think I'm going to sell anything to the world for T-shirts and pictures personally.

Do you really think I'm that cheap?

 

[AANOTOK]

Ok and the link?

Deleted...has it's own thread.

 

[Kev3188]

Yes I do. But I also have a Union negotiating currently for me who can compare and argue what is out there for other groups who perform my work and try to secure the same or better. I consider the UAL retirement deal to be better than what I currently have so I'm advocating for it.
 

You are and you aren't. Delta airlines management decided of their own accord to no longer participate in the plan and suspended that benefit for you. Let me ask you. If Delta had said that they would continue on with it (with the same 401k match you currently have) would you have told them no thank you if you had that ability?

Use this model for thinking about it. If Delta said they would contribute $2.00 per hour to the IAMPF in your name or you can say no and it would just remain with the company (No other alternative) what would be your answer?
 

Yes Kev I do know that. And as a matter of fact I think you have even more time than me? (1995) But currently and unfortunately I consider you now somewhat on the outside looking in. You have no real ability to advocate against the company for anything because you have no Labor representative doing so for you. But you do post as if you are still a part of a Union?

Your perspective on things is about an organization (And it's Pension plan) that you are no longer a member of and haven't been one for many years now.

When I advocate for something on this page it's as a Union member. Technically now a member of two Unions, since I have two representing me. So when they read this page and they do I want them to hear from me, a dues paying member. (And supporter)

Sorry, WeAAsles, "othering" doesn't work with me.

And I think I'm at a point where I don't need to prove my bona fides to anyone...

Oh, and I'm still a "participant" in the plan- that's the IAMNPF's term, not mine...

 

[Tim Nelson]

The issue is that you're right that I doubt very much the IAM is willingly going to let you out of the plan. They need you and others to continue to keep it propped up to support hopefully not having to make any future cuts to it.

That's why I feel your advocacy is somewhat shooting off your nose to spite your face. If I'm not offered the choice/option of joining into your pension fund that means less participants to help you keep your current multiplier in the future.

Again it's ultimately no skin off my apple since I've already laid out my financial roadmap for my retirement without the plan and have said it would only be gravy on top of the meat. But for many of your members it may be the meat itself?

Ironic how it seems you want to try and take the meat off the table for your own coworkers, Brothers and Sisters?

You're a real head scratcher sometimes Tim.

Oh and I highly doubt that the TWU will do the hard sell on the plan on any of its pages? More than likely again if it's offered to us as a choice the TWU will let us simply make up our own minds about it.

Taking myself out of the equation and just advocating for working people. Same thing I always do. I gave up my positon for it as well [no big deal to me], and I fully realize the IAMPF needs more participants. But the alternative is to blow smoke up your arse like 700 does or to stay silent. I'm hosed in this plan, but I don't believe I should stand down and just allow more working people to get hosed in this plan. Right is right.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Lombardo is now AWOL. In about one month, TWU Boss, Lombardo is suppose to take the lead position of the 2 Unions representing us. However, it appears the internet rumors about Lombardo's meltdown has a semblance of truth. Although I can't be sure of any internal issues, the fact remains that Boss Lombardo was put on a 'personal leave of absence' to gain a 'refreshed' perspective we are told (whatever the hell that means).

Also, American Airline stock had its credit rating cut today, which means loans may be harder to get at premium interest. The industry is doing great, but it is starting to show struggles.

Hopefully, our 2 unions can get their Bosses back from personal leave and get a grip on things and finish the job of actually getting us our money without any concessions. Something is going on.

Here is the official letter.
MEMORANDUM
Date: June 15, 2016
To: The TWU International Executive Council and Board and TWU Local Presidents
Dear TWU Leaders,
As you may have heard, International President Harry Lombardo announced that he is taking a personal leave from his duties with the International. We fully expect that President Lombardo’s absence will be a brief one and that he will return fully refreshed and ready to resume the important duties of his office. Information to the contrary is simply rumor or gossip and is not based in fact.
In the meantime, the important business of our International Union and our members continues as normal. Be assured that your leadership team of Executive Vice President John Samuelsen, Secretary Treasurer Alex Garcia, Administrative Vice Presidents Gary Maslanka and John Bland and the rest of the officers and staff are handling all matters of importance to our Locals and this membership.
If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to call or communicate with us. Please join us in supporting President Lombardo until he returns.
In Solidarity,
John Samuelsen Alex Garcia
Gary Maslanka John Bland

 

[WeAAsles]

Lombardo is now AWOL. In about one month, TWU Boss, Lombardo is suppose to take the lead position of the 2 Unions representing us. However, it appears the internet rumors about Lombardo's meltdown has a semblance of truth. Although I can't be sure of any internal issues, the fact remains that Boss Lombardo was put on a 'personal leave of absence' to gain a 'refreshed' perspective we are told (whatever the hell that means).Also, American Airline stock had its credit rating cut today, which means loans may be harder to get at premium interest. The industry is doing great, but it is starting to show struggles.Hopefully, our 2 unions can get their Bosses back from personal leave and get a grip on things and finish the job of actually getting us our money without any concessions. Something is going on.Here is the official letter.MEMORANDUMDate: June 15, 2016To: The TWU International Executive Council and Board and TWU Local PresidentsDear TWU Leaders,As you may have heard, International President Harry Lombardo announced that he is taking a personal leave from his duties with the International. We fully expect that President Lombardo’s absence will be a brief one and that he will return fully refreshed and ready to resume the important duties of his office. Information to the contrary is simply rumor or gossip and is not based in fact.In the meantime, the important business of our International Union and our members continues as normal. Be assured that your leadership team of Executive Vice President John Samuelsen, Secretary Treasurer Alex Garcia, Administrative Vice Presidents Gary Maslanka and John Bland and the rest of the officers and staff are handling all matters of importance to our Locals and this membership.If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to call or communicate with us. Please join us in supporting President Lombardo until he returns.In Solidarity,John Samuelsen Alex GarciaGary Maslanka John Bland

He was "put" on a personal leave of absence?

Keep fishing.

I guess you have never had a "personal" issue in your life before and wished for it to remain "personal"

 

[swamt]

Oh how ironic.  Lombardo is suppose to take over in Aug. I believe, and all of a sudden he takes a leave of absence from his union leadership duties.  If I were you guys I would be following this issue in depth. I'm sorry, but it sounds very fishy to me. Bad timing. This guy should be so deeply tied into the nego's and getting ready to take over. Just sounds more like more games being played by the ole TWU as they always have in the past.  Does anyone have more info on the reason for this leave?  It would be beneficial to all if he were to make an announcement himself of why he is taking this leave because as of now it stinks to high heaven...

 

[WeAAsles]

Oh how ironic.  Lombardo is suppose to take over in Aug. I believe, and all of a sudden he takes a leave of absence from his union leadership duties.  If I were you guys I would be following this issue in depth. I'm sorry, but it sounds very fishy to me. Bad timing. This guy should be so deeply tied into the nego's and getting ready to take over. Just sounds more like more games being played by the ole TWU as they always have in the past.  Does anyone have more info on the reason for this leave?  It would be beneficial to all if he were to make an announcement himself of why he is taking this leave because as of now it stinks to high heaven...

Low class character who doesn't even work for the airline here. AMFA is an abysmal failure BTW.

Next.

 

[Worldport]

Lombardo is now AWOL. In about one month, TWU Boss, Lombardo is suppose to take the lead position of the 2 Unions representing us. However, it appears the internet rumors about Lombardo's meltdown has a semblance of truth. Although I can't be sure of any internal issues, the fact remains that Boss Lombardo was put on a 'personal leave of absence' to gain a 'refreshed' perspective we are told (whatever the hell that means).

Also, American Airline stock had its credit rating cut today, which means loans may be harder to get at premium interest. The industry is doing great, but it is starting to show struggles.

Hopefully, our 2 unions can get their Bosses back from personal leave and get a grip on things and finish the job of actually getting us our money without any concessions. Something is going on.

Here is the official letter.
MEMORANDUM
Date: June 15, 2016
To: The TWU International Executive Council and Board and TWU Local Presidents
Dear TWU Leaders,
As you may have heard, International President Harry Lombardo announced that he is taking a personal leave from his duties with the International. We fully expect that President Lombardo’s absence will be a brief one and that he will return fully refreshed and ready to resume the important duties of his office. Information to the contrary is simply rumor or gossip and is not based in fact.
In the meantime, the important business of our International Union and our members continues as normal. Be assured that your leadership team of Executive Vice President John Samuelsen, Secretary Treasurer Alex Garcia, Administrative Vice Presidents Gary Maslanka and John Bland and the rest of the officers and staff are handling all matters of importance to our Locals and this membership.
If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to call or communicate with us. Please join us in supporting President Lombardo until he returns.
In Solidarity,
John Samuelsen Alex Garcia
Gary Maslanka John Bland

This guy doesn't have to sign off on the contract does he. I don't want to sound insensitive but can this hold up getting a T/A. Tim now would be a good time  you to start an independent union

 

[WeAAsles]

This guy doesn't have to sign off on the contract does he. I don't want to sound insensitive but can this hold up getting a T/A. Tim now would be a good time  you to start an independent union

No he doesn't necessarily need to be the one to sign off on an agreement. His "personal" issue holds up nothing for us.

 

[700UW]

worry about AMFA and your CBA, Howxmany years now?

Three of four?

And Lombsrdo and Pantoja aren't on the NC.

 

[AANOTOK]

This guy doesn't have to sign off on the contract does he. I don't want to sound insensitive but can this hold up getting a T/A. Tim now would be a good time  you to start an independent union

Anytime you talk negatively about the TWU/IAM or Association, you are being insensitive in some peoples eyes!

 

[Worldport]

Anytime you talk negatively about the TWU/IAM or Association, you are being insensitive in some peoples eyes!

Yes but they are the very few and dwindling.It's just not like it used to be