JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Then go during your shift.

I do. But occasionally you get a CC that is clueless and is a PITA. Paying us for the badging process would avoid that.

 

[NYer]

I do. But occasionally you get a CC that is clueless and is a PITA. Paying us for the badging process would avoid that.

 
They do. Go on shift.
 
Article 27(p)..."an employee who is required to obtain or renew airport badges will be afforded that opportunity during his scheduled shift."

 

[WeAAsles]

I'd be against it because others would have to take less. It's the same argument you made about having to subsidize someone's choice to over extend themselves or for a PTer to subsidize the medical costs of a FTer.
 
You're assuming everyone would stay where they are with the higher cost stations getting more, but that same formula could cause others to get less. Aside from that, it is a divisive mechanism and we can point to the AMT's who have, for a long, made that same argument about TUL.

The mechanics situation is precisely why I make that argument. It's probably one of the biggest causes of their divisiveness that the COLA idea was shot down by that MIA (maintenance) President all those years ago.

But as a counterargument the point can also be made for those who advocate for the small cities. If the company doesn't generate enough revenue to afford to pay the same rates you and I make, who winds up potentially subsidizing them? Is the Hub revenue (Our productivity) keeping that city open?

That's why I'm 50/50 on the idea of tiered cities. Is a city being classified tier 2 better than the company saying we're pulling out because we just can't afford to stay in that market?

 

[WeAAsles]

They do. Go on shift.
 
Article 27(p)..."an employee who is required to obtain or renew airport badges will be afforded that opportunity during his scheduled shift."

I know. But maybe a few CC's should try reading that article for cripes sake. I think it may be better to gain the opportunity to be paid like we do with our training if we want. Off shift.

 

[NYer]

I know. But maybe a few CC's should try reading that article for cripes sake. I think it may be better to gain the opportunity to be paid like we do with our training if we want. Off shift.

 
You were a Steward, educate them.

 

[Kev3188]

The mechanics situation is precisely why I make that argument. It's probably one of the biggest causes of their divisiveness that the COLA idea was shot down by that MIA (maintenance) President all those years ago.

But as a counterargument the point can also be made for those who advocate for the small cities. If the company doesn't generate enough revenue to afford to pay the same rates you and I make, who winds up potentially subsidizing them? Is the Hub revenue (Our productivity) keeping that city open?

That's why I'm 50/50 on the idea of tiered cities. Is a city being classified tier 2 better than the company saying we're pulling out because we just can't afford to stay in that market?

So we're back to unequal pay for the same work, then?

BTW, what specific metrics are you using to determine who is more "productive?"

 

[WeAAsles]

Just to jump the gun here. In the BK we agreed (gun to head) to close the city of Memphis. 13 people. My asked my friend Greg if he cold have been paid less to stay there would he have accepted? He said yea. His line in the sand to remain personally was $17.00 per hour.

Could we or should we have saved his city? Again that was HIS city, not ours.

 

[Kev3188]

I do. But occasionally you get a CC that is clueless and is a PITA. Paying us for the badging process would avoid that.

Crews tend to get the CC's they deserve...

 

[WeAAsles]

You were a Steward, educate them.

Always do. Still carry my (undersized, hard to read) contract book.

 

[700UW]

How many shifts were there?

First, second, third and a few odd ball ones.

 

[WeAAsles]

Crews tend to get the CC's they deserve...

Dumb comment Kev. And my current CC is spectacular BTW. No problems.

 

[NYer]

Just to jump the gun here. In the BK we agreed (gun to head) to close the city of Memphis. 13 people. My asked my friend Greg if he cold have been paid less to stay there would he have accepted? He said yea. His line in the sand to remain personally was $17.00 per hour.

Could we or should we have saved his city? Again that was HIS city, not ours.

 
That idea was proposed in the 2011 TA, for the Cabin work, which was roundly booed.
 
When negotiations for that TA started, it was with mechanisms to try and keep Retiree Medical and most of the jobs they wanted. Those weren't popular proposals and the "Vote No" voices screamed at the top of their lungs, even when they were told a BK was possible and would have been more hurtful.
 
Even you have taken the opportunity to criticize the 2011 TA and have called some of the negotiators sell outs.
 
So you tell me, is it possible?

 

[NYer]

First, second, third and a few odd ball ones.

 
I would guess the type of system you shared would work better under that scenario rather than when you have about 15 different shifts before noon. Under your scenario, most people are on the same shifts and would be called from that list. In the hubs, especially, we have a multitude of shifts and the OT is divided into those shifts.

 

[WeAAsles]

That idea was proposed in the 2011 TA, for the Cabin work, which was roundly booed.
 
When negotiations for that TA started, it was with mechanisms to try and keep Retiree Medical and most of the jobs they wanted. Those weren't popular proposals and the "Vote No" voices screamed at the top of their lungs, even when they were told a BK was possible and would have been more hurtful.
 
Even you have taken the opportunity to criticize the 2011 TA and have called some of the negotiators sell outs.
 
So you tell me, is it possible?

Yes I called you and whoever decided to dump Cabin Service a sell out. That agreement was only robbing Peter to pay Paul and shouldn't have been brought to us in the first place. So that's why I very politely stated that I was voting no to which two individuals jumped all over my arse. Sorry if I wasn't down with the program.

And the way you acted for "my" decision told me that you supported the agreement to dump those jobs. That agreement was a chopping off of our foot agreement to eat it because we were starving. I think it's a little sick to eat our own body parts personally.

That agreement should never have been brought to us in the first place. But if you really want to know why I turned against it. It was because of those 80 medically restricted people who were going to be out on the street with no options and good old DelValle's response when you asked him about them. "We're not running a Hospital"

That was the comment that turned me around the most even more than you guys deciding to bring it back to us.

 

[WeAAsles]

That idea was proposed in the 2011 TA, for the Cabin work, which was roundly booed.
 
When negotiations for that TA started, it was with mechanisms to try and keep Retiree Medical and most of the jobs they wanted. Those weren't popular proposals and the "Vote No" voices screamed at the top of their lungs, even when they were told a BK was possible and would have been more hurtful.
 
Even you have taken the opportunity to criticize the 2011 TA and have called some of the negotiators sell outs.
 
So you tell me, is it possible?

And come to find out BTW after the fact per Sharon Levine there is no such thing as a pre Bankruptcy agreement and all items in our contract would be on the table. That A hole hoodwinked you guys by throwing down that quicky take it or leave it offer and you jumped on it.

Do I blame you? No. Because I think you've learned a lot since that time. Your Leaders were the ones who should have known what would/could happen if/when they went BK and they were either incompetent for not having that information or just maybe something else?

And also maybe part of the reason they're all gone now?

But you go ahead and keep holding a torch for them if you want.