JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA Fleet

[WeAAsles]

Again, another issue that should have been (and was actually agreed upon) taking away from the time that could be spent with other articles. And don't tell me anymore "Pro Association Crowd" that differences among our negotiators and or contracts are not slowing the process down. Items that should have been agreed upon before negotiations began. AA is to blame here for the slow process no doubt, but the Association is not without fault!

Never been really pro or anti Association. Just accepted the circumstances that I was forced into. 6 people on two sides with 2 separate agreements and maybe strong A type personalities, you can judge where that probably leads sometimes?

And anytime AA doesn't agree with what's presented to them now you have the monkey wrench. "Hold firm or accept"

They could end this super fast if you want them to start just taking whatever the company throws down on the first pass? Well?

 

[Traymark]

And that ends in another year or two. It was only temporary. And the most junior were only getting 3% as I recall.

 
 
It was for 5 years.
 
Nothing really to see here , move along, because we aren't getting it, crazy town.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Yes the economic package has been reduced.
Doug just got off the phone with Tim.

You are personally responsible for screwing things up as you encouraged everyone on this page and the morons you talk to, to stand down on the meat and instead flutter around for 6 weeks over leaves of absence for uncle johnnys passing, and 5 weeks pissing over temp agents.

You guys dont know what you are doing and there is little intelligence in the negotiations.

The question now becomes, are they gonna become more stupid and double down or are they going to learn from their errors and understand that they are not in section 6 and that we dont need 3 years?

All other unions on the property have been thoroughly enjoying their new contracts, even the 8,000 previous LAA customer service, and we would b too if these clowns didnt get into an 8 month pissing match.

At some point, weasle, you will come to realize the truth,ie., that the iam guys could effing care less since they are making $125,000 and have 2 pensions.

 

[AANOTOK]

Again, transparency goes a long way in retaining and/or gaining your members trust. Telling me AA does not want to treat us like other work groups or to say they do not want to provide the Holiday benefit that we are asking still leaves a void. Lay the crap in the open, give your members a CLEAR picture. If your not willing to do that, stop begging the membership to back you. They all have been burnt enough by this type of process. I would suggest a different approach to your members if you truly want each and every members backing.

 

[WeAAsles]

It was for 5 years.
 
Nothing really to see here , move along, because we aren't getting it, crazy town.

Well if Parker doesn't want to staple the 3% to the front end, then maybe he'll staple it to the back end?

But one more time if you guys think the IAM side negotiators are going to relent on giving up the fund at least on their side for more 401k scratch. I have some property I want to sell you, on the Moon.

 

[Tim Nelson]

No doubt the frustration is building. While being behind the Ass, many of us are looking for an informative and extremely positive update. To read issues still need to be settled among the IAM and TWU this far into the process is problematic at best. And also to read AA is stepping backward, reviewing a proposal for the third time is very discouraging. Not even the "we have improved 17 of 20 articles" can raise the spirits since those are not the heart of what the members are looking for.
 
Lombardo, I would encourage you to put down your poker hand, strap on your six shooter, bow up and get this crap moving...it's time to stop AA and the ridiculous games they are playing with the TWU/IAM. The members are paying a huge price.

Sito pantoja and reagon have succeeded at another disaster.
The update clearly shows a backward movement, although with a pollyanna tint. The economic window has now collapsed.

We tried to tell these idiots but they just didnt listen. We told them that bad things happen. Now with a potential 8% unplanned reduction in revenue, the economic terms have changed. $30 ...$29....$28...going....

 

[AANOTOK]

Never been really pro or anti Association. Just accepted the circumstances that I was forced into. 6 people on two sides with 2 separate agreements and maybe strong A type personalities, you can judge where that probably leads sometimes?

And anytime AA doesn't agree with what's presented to them now you have the monkey wrench. "Hold firm or accept"

They could end this super fast if you want them to start just taking whatever the company throws down on the first pass? Well?

Unfair W, you know I back the Association, I just don't always back there method and it is causing harm to the Association and it's membership.

 

[WeAAsles]

You are personally responsible for screwing things up as you encouraged everyone on this page and the morons you talk to, to stand down on the meat and instead flutter around for 6 weeks over leaves of absence for uncle johnnys passing, and 5 weeks pissing over temp agents.
You guys dont know what you are doing and there is little intelligence in the negotiations.
The question now becomes, are they gonna become more stupid and double down or are they going to learn from their errors and understand that they are not in section 6 and that we dont need 3 years?
All other unions on the property have been thoroughly enjoying their new contracts, even the 8,000 previous LAA customer service, and we would b too if these clowns didnt get into an 8 month pissing match.
At some point, weasle, you will come to realize the truth,ie., that the iam guys could effing care less since they are making $125,000 and have 2 pensions.

Wow Bro, thank you. I never knew my opinions had so much pull in those rooms. Maybe I should have crafted the contract language (that I've never seen) as well?

Wouldn't I at least need to get to know Sito and Reagan before they'd let me take over the talks? I'd guess I need to talk to them at least once right?

 

[WeAAsles]

Unfair W, you know I back the Association, I just don't always back there method and it is causing harm to the Association and it's membership.

I backed and back the Association because again it's the hand I was dealt. But there are good guys on both sides and I do think they're working very hard.

Never said that you didn't back them. Just wanted to put some things into perspective is all.

 

[AANOTOK]

Unfair W, you know I back the Association, I just don't always back there method and it is causing harm to the Association and it's membership.

What a damn hypocrite I am, I used "there" instead of "their"...and to think I jumped 700 for the your/you're debacle.
Whew, I do feel better calling myself out!

 

[AANOTOK]

I backed and back the Association because again it's the hand I was dealt. But there are good guys on both sides and I do think they're working very hard.

Never said that you didn't back them. Just wanted to put some things into perspective is all.

No doubt we have good guys giving there all on both sides.

 

[WeAAsles]

What a damn hypocrite I am, I used "there" instead of "their"...and to think I jumped 700 for the your/you're debacle.
Whew, I do feel better calling myself out!

I just wish again you and him would learn to see more eye to eye.

 

[WeAAsles]

No doubt we have good guys giving there all on both sides.

I swear I don't envy them. When it's over I will cause they wrote the next agreement that many parts are probably going to exist still after they passed the pearly gates. That's a pretty cool notion.

 

[AANOTOK]

I just wish again you and him would learn to see more eye to eye.

You know it's funny, I could meet that dude in a bar, not knowing who he really is, and possibly become best friends.
I have seen it happen. Disagreements (or not seeing eye to eye) are definitely handled better in person.

 

[WeAAsles]

You know it's funny, I could meet that dude in a bar, not knowing who he really is, and possibly become best friends.
I have seen it happen. Disagreements (or not seeing eye to eye) are definitely handled better in person.

My first exchange with him on here was a balls to the wall back and forth fight against the IAMPF. Both hitting each other hard. He'll tell you. I got tired of it and gave him my number. And honestly we talk all the time now. Still have some drag outs and the putz has even hung up on me, lol. Jackass.

But he's a good guy IMO.